Why change it back to AT&T? Why not to something completely different?
Ok. If they are trying to change the name because they want to be percieved as a whole new company. Why not just change the whole name?
Maybe something like:
Hmmmmmm...
Tklgdsxflh.
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Maybe something like:
Hmmmmmm...
Tklgdsxflh.
... and this brings me to my next post....
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Anxiovert said:
Ok. If they are trying to change the name because they want to be percieved as a whole new company. Why not just change the whole name?
Maybe something like:
Hmmmmmm...
Tklgdsxflh.
... and this brings me to my next post....
They want to ruin another good name. They really believe people are dumb.
I'm starting to belive it as well though after reading all the "good idea" posts.I suppose they will do anything at this point in desperation. Including ruining the good Name of ATT.
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TenMidgits said:Anxiovert said:
Ok. If they are trying to change the name because they want to be percieved as a whole new company. Why not just change the whole name?
Maybe something like:
Hmmmmmm...
Tklgdsxflh.
... and this brings me to my next post....
They want to ruin another good name. They really believe people are dumb.
I'm starting to belive it as well though after reading all the "good idea" posts.I suppose they will do anything at this point in desperation. Including ruining the good Name of ATT.
Who says the AT&T name is perceived better than Cingular? YOU>?
AT&T went to s***s after switch to GSM due to spectrum reason. Don't come here sayin...
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Anxiovert said:...TenMidgits said:Anxiovert said:
Ok. If they are trying to change the name because they want to be percieved as a whole new company. Why not just change the whole name?
Maybe something like:
Hmmmmmm...
Tklgdsxflh.
... and this brings me to my next post....
They want to ruin another good name. They really believe people are dumb.
I'm starting to belive it as well though after reading all the "good idea" posts.I suppose they will do anything at this point in desperation. Including ruining the good Name of ATT.
Who says the AT&T name is perceived better than Cingular? YOU>?
AT&T went to s***s after switch to GSM due to sp
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when it was att, they gave away the house, customers got used to that, and expected free phones, minutes, credits whenever they felt ready for them. This isn't a way to run the business. It needs to be balanced somehow, and thats what cingular did. Customer's weren't used to this, so they claimed bad customer service when they couldn't get a new phone 5 months into their 2 year contract.
Tell me, would you run a wireless company where you give someone a new phone every 5 months even after they signed a 2 yr contract and rejected the insurance? It's not the company's fault they rejected the insurance and dropped the phone in the toilet...
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Tell me, would you run a wireless company where you give someone a new phone every 5 months even after they signed a 2 yr contract and rejected the insurance? It's not the company's fault they rejected the insurance and dropped the phone in the toilet...
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colione112 said:
Do you even have a clue of how much a phone actually costs compared to what a customer pays retail? yes I said retail, not contract.
yeah I know I bought them on Ebay. Many times cheaper then Cingular is selling them "subsidized" with a 2 year obligation. Especially if you waitied 6 months after release when all the bleeding edge suckers got their new toys and were line for the "next big thing".
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just becuase a phone costs less on ebay doesn't reveal the true cost of a phone. The cheap lg 1300 was sold in stores usually for free w/ contract, and 100 w/o. The actual price cingular paid for that phone was about 180.00. Now multiply that by how many people got it, and wanted another one because theirs got wet/broken/stolen and add it up, thats alot of money to give away. And thats just on that extremely low end phone. The v551 is closer to 350.00...
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CINGULAR IS NOT CHANGING THEIR NAME TO AT&T.
AT&T is going to be RESELLING cingular to bundle with the other services. The Cingular brand is going to remain.
AT&T is going to be RESELLING cingular to bundle with the other services. The Cingular brand is going to remain.
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Read the news. Cingular just finished negotioations with AT&T to rebrand Cingular as AT&T...
CINGULAR IS CHANGING THEIR NAME TO AT&T
CINGULAR IS CHANGING THEIR NAME TO AT&T
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No, read csp(internal site) It clearly spells out what is happening.
Att(sbc) is going to rebrand it as att wireless for bundling purposes, with no effect on cingular stores. If you have access to csp go to merger communications and look around a bit, it'll be right there waiting for you.
Att(sbc) is going to rebrand it as att wireless for bundling purposes, with no effect on cingular stores. If you have access to csp go to merger communications and look around a bit, it'll be right there waiting for you.
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spell check is a button before you hit post, takes an extra minute, and seems like for you well worth it. you sound stupid when you argue and spell everything wrong.
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This has been discussed. Check the discussion thread of the announcement on the main phonescoop page and check the rest of the Cingy forum.
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i actually agree.
its time for a new start.
att wireless was a horrible name.
its time for a new start.
att wireless was a horrible name.
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i don't know nextel18. i usually agree with you 80-90% of the time (even though it is sometimes outta content or false) but i gotta disagree with you on this one at&t was a good company, you may have had a bad experience but 95% of the people that i know that had at&t either don't wanna change to cingular or went to verizon just because they don't wanna deal with the way cingular is run. the name of at&t is far from a bad name.
i do feel that changing the name back to at&t will only piss alot of people off (especially those who will be upgrades, if you know what i am getting at).i think they should keep the cingular name (if they are really planning on changing it) just re-design and re-pitch the product incorporating a little more of at&t...
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i do feel that changing the name back to at&t will only piss alot of people off (especially those who will be upgrades, if you know what i am getting at).i think they should keep the cingular name (if they are really planning on changing it) just re-design and re-pitch the product incorporating a little more of at&t...
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i am talking about ATT WIRELESS, not the AT&T name that was just bought out by SBC. AT&T was a great name, but ATTWS isnt. that is why if they are going to change the name back to at&t they might put Wireless at the end and then many people will think that it is the same horrible att wireless that was out in the marketplace before cingular bought them out..
that is why i am thinking that cingular should just get rid of their name and then get a whole new name. although it does cost money to fix, at least they will start fresh.
that is why i am thinking that cingular should just get rid of their name and then get a whole new name. although it does cost money to fix, at least they will start fresh.
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i agree with the opinion that if cingular changes its name it shouldn't be back to at&t wireless. but i am saying at&t wireless was a good company and name. i don't want a name change now (unless it's vodafone) but if they went to at&t wireless, at&t's rep isn't going to hurt them, it will be the name change alone that will. people will hate the change (especially those that paid the migration fee, and future upgraders). at&tws was a solid company and they would still be around if they didn't have to get rid of their name in the first place.
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" but i am saying at&t wireless was a good company and name. "
well that is a bad premise to state that, becuase it isnt true.. they lost subscribers and other things.. if AT&T wireless was a good name, cingular would have changed cingular into Attwireless. att wireless is a horrible name. (att isnt).
"at&tws was a solid company and they would still be around if they didn't have to get rid of their name in the first place"
losing subscribers is a solid company? interesting.
well that is a bad premise to state that, becuase it isnt true.. they lost subscribers and other things.. if AT&T wireless was a good name, cingular would have changed cingular into Attwireless. att wireless is a horrible name. (att isnt).
"at&tws was a solid company and they would still be around if they didn't have to get rid of their name in the first place"
losing subscribers is a solid company? interesting.
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when were they losing subscribers? every company has churn at times. the only time i've seen them drop alot of customers was when they migrated to gsm. (and most came back)
btw, food for your starving @$$ THOUGHT.
cingular couldn't use at&t's name when they bought them because at&t proper only allowed attws to use it for a certain amount of years. (even after the paid them). thats why attws sold out because they didn't want to do a name change. they knew if they just changed the name for no apparent reason many would be pissed. so instead of spending money on name change, marketing, etc,etc... they sold out AND MADE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
if you don't know what your talkin about here go back to your nextel (together w/sprint)roots..
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btw, food for your starving @$$ THOUGHT.
cingular couldn't use at&t's name when they bought them because at&t proper only allowed attws to use it for a certain amount of years. (even after the paid them). thats why attws sold out because they didn't want to do a name change. they knew if they just changed the name for no apparent reason many would be pissed. so instead of spending money on name change, marketing, etc,etc... they sold out AND MADE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
if you don't know what your talkin about here go back to your nextel (together w/sprint)roots..
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a member on here mentioned that information, but i wont find that post. i think it was either TX or SF posted that information.
a few articles here though;
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/191742_attw21 ... »
http://www.detnews.com/2004/technology/0401/25/techn ... »
http://www.vault.com/dlcenter/excerpt/telecom_excerp ... »
"In April 2004, AT&TWireless reported that
it had lost subscribers during the first three months of the year, and disclosed another
loss, in its all-important profit margin."
"In more
bad news, the company also confessed that it lost 367,000 customers during the first
quarter, (while Cingular picked up 554,000 new subscribers), the first time its total
subscriber count (currently at...
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a few articles here though;
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/191742_attw21 ... »
http://www.detnews.com/2004/technology/0401/25/techn ... »
http://www.vault.com/dlcenter/excerpt/telecom_excerp ... »
"In April 2004, AT&TWireless reported that
it had lost subscribers during the first three months of the year, and disclosed another
loss, in its all-important profit margin."
"In more
bad news, the company also confessed that it lost 367,000 customers during the first
quarter, (while Cingular picked up 554,000 new subscribers), the first time its total
subscriber count (currently at...
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in the pdf file in your 1st link it says exactly what i said "the switching of technologies" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20040921 /ATT_disconnected.pdf read
in the BIG BUY pdf. in your 3rd link it clearly states at&t was the 2nd largest carrier just under verizon. cingular buying at&t boosted cingular to number 1.
yeah its states at&t admitted the loss of customers due to systematic errors, porting AND TECHNOLOGY SWITCH TO GSM which hurt them at the time.
if at&t was so bad why would cingular, vodafone and many more highly powered companies buy them? 😕 ntt do co mo, nextel (to name a few more)
we see sprint brought nextel and they are still in 3rd place. but then again they only bought them for the technology. inst...
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in the BIG BUY pdf. in your 3rd link it clearly states at&t was the 2nd largest carrier just under verizon. cingular buying at&t boosted cingular to number 1.
yeah its states at&t admitted the loss of customers due to systematic errors, porting AND TECHNOLOGY SWITCH TO GSM which hurt them at the time.
if at&t was so bad why would cingular, vodafone and many more highly powered companies buy them? 😕 ntt do co mo, nextel (to name a few more)
we see sprint brought nextel and they are still in 3rd place. but then again they only bought them for the technology. inst...
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lol. look how defensive you get. lol.
you said prove where it says that they lost subscribers, i proved it. lol then you get defensive.
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this link; http://www.vault.com/dlcenter/excerpt/telecom _excerpt.pdf
it says;
"In April 2004, AT&TWireless reported that
it had lost subscribers during the first three months of the year, and disclosed another
loss, in its all-important profit margin."
"In more
bad news, the company also confessed that it lost 367,000 customers during the first
quarter, (while Cingular picked up 554,000 new subscribers), the first time its total
subscriber count (currently at 22 million) has declined."
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you said prove where it says that they lost subscribers, i proved it. lol then you get defensive.
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this link; http://www.vault.com/dlcenter/excerpt/telecom _excerpt.pdf
it says;
"In April 2004, AT&TWireless reported that
it had lost subscribers during the first three months of the year, and disclosed another
loss, in its all-important profit margin."
"In more
bad news, the company also confessed that it lost 367,000 customers during the first
quarter, (while Cingular picked up 554,000 new subscribers), the first time its total
subscriber count (currently at 22 million) has declined."
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defensive 😕 yeah you proved it. during the
1 quater of one year they lost some customers which was again DURING THE MIGRATION FROM TDMA TO GSM. and your PROOF (as you call it) states it and even shows it.
lol.look now, it looks like your the defensive one.lol 🤣
1 quater of one year they lost some customers which was again DURING THE MIGRATION FROM TDMA TO GSM. and your PROOF (as you call it) states it and even shows it.
lol.look now, it looks like your the defensive one.lol 🤣
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the point is, they lost subscribers.. it doesnt matter for what reason.. they lost subscribers..
by the way they had another software glitch in 2003 and they only signed up 128,000 subscribers.. http://consumeraffairs.com/news04/attw_glitch .html
so my proof is valid.
by the way they had another software glitch in 2003 and they only signed up 128,000 subscribers.. http://consumeraffairs.com/news04/attw_glitch .html
so my proof is valid.
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in addition there are many articles that have been saying att wireless have been struggling. (including the links i provided earlier)
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5214701.html »
"AT&T Wireless lost 367,000 subscribers in that quarter, while its competitors enjoyed a surge of new customers. The company estimated that it would have 40 percent fewer subscribers by the end of the year, based on the current rate of cancellations and nonrenewals. "
lets do a little bit more just to show that att wireless lost subscribers.. again, stop with excuses.
i will just post a few more and then if you conitnue to say excuses the convo will obvioiusly be over..
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2004/04/1 ... »
Redmond-b...
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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5214701.html »
"AT&T Wireless lost 367,000 subscribers in that quarter, while its competitors enjoyed a surge of new customers. The company estimated that it would have 40 percent fewer subscribers by the end of the year, based on the current rate of cancellations and nonrenewals. "
lets do a little bit more just to show that att wireless lost subscribers.. again, stop with excuses.
i will just post a few more and then if you conitnue to say excuses the convo will obvioiusly be over..
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2004/04/1 ... »
Redmond-b...
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i proved my poit too. but the fact is at&t was only short of vzw at the time of buyout. it that is also proven in your facts. yea they lost customers but most came back and it was due to systematical errors. not because of bad customer service or any other dumb reason you cam bring up.
btw not only were numbers ported out they were ported in 😎 🤣
btw not only were numbers ported out they were ported in 😎 🤣
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"btw not only were numbers ported out they were ported in "
lol.. when you lose subscribers the majority ports out then in. lol.
"yea they lost customers but most came back and it was due to systematical errors. not because of bad customer service or any other dumb reason you cam bring up."
lol.. not really. they didnt all come back. and it was due to bad customer service and to other things.. even in the links they posted that.. as well as other excuses. by the way they will also on the complaints list quite often. (either number 1 or number 2)
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lol.. when you lose subscribers the majority ports out then in. lol.
"yea they lost customers but most came back and it was due to systematical errors. not because of bad customer service or any other dumb reason you cam bring up."
lol.. not really. they didnt all come back. and it was due to bad customer service and to other things.. even in the links they posted that.. as well as other excuses. by the way they will also on the complaints list quite often. (either number 1 or number 2)
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you keep you facts i'll keep mine. i'm pretty sure sbc/cingular has all the true facts. instead of bias pages with bias quotes that prove my facts also.
🤣 😎 lol that............
🤣 😎 lol that............
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i am sure they did also, but if you listen on their call when they bought them out they acknlowedge that there are problems.. also analysts mentioned that they are buying a problamatic carrier..
they bought att for subscribers, spectrum and towers.. 🙂
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they bought att for subscribers, spectrum and towers.. 🙂
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🤣 that's all i'll say cuz it looks like your in it for THE LAST WORD so i'll let you have it.
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