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Cingular Deal - worth it? or go with Verizon?

sk31

Nov 22, 2005, 9:48 PM
I need some advice. Here's my situation: we have a family plan with 3 lines (AT&T plan) that is expiring and we need to upgrade because quite frankly our phones are outdated and falling apart. So we have decided to go with the 700 minute plan (for $80 total/month). Problem is we can't decide between Cingular and Verizon, which each offer the same plan. Verizon's service in my area is better, not by much, but there is a mild difference.

Originally we thought we would stick with Cingular because surely as customers, we must be offered better deals. But the only difference I've found is that the activation fee is dropped for Cingular since we've been with them.

I went to a Cingular store and was disappointed to learn that if we upgra...
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texaswireless

Nov 23, 2005, 12:27 AM
You can get the same price on a phone as a new customer, upgrade fee only instead of activation fee. Stores don't make much commission wise on upgrades so some try to charge more. Unless you are in a one store town a little shopping will yield the better prices.

You talked him down to regular price (I am assuming after the mail in rebate, if that is $49 AND you also get $30 back jump on it FAST!)

And most of all, go with what suites you best. If Verizon and Cingular and generally equal in your area, go ahead and stick with Cingular.
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doczaius

Nov 23, 2005, 2:18 AM
Copy what tex said. If you managed to get those accessories thrown in for free then I would definately stay.

1. The samsung e317 is end-of-life, ie outdated. Although LG has released some better built GSM phones with this new series (1500,2000) I would still go with a Samsung. How much are they selling the z520a for? You said you don't need bluetooth, but its not going to hurt you if the phone has it. The z520a is a very high quality handset, we have it for 69 down here, and I would not mind paying $10 more for something other than an LG or Samsung.

2. This is true, although I have heard that some markets are able to price match, most are not. Telesales and the Internet offer lower prices because of the reduced overhead.

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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 3:06 AM
You have an opportunity to go with the best wireless company in America hands down. Why the decision? cingular will give you NOTHING to stay. Take advantage of what 3.5 million people have done. Leave and in your case you will find Verizon to be a class outfit on all levels. Especially if you are not interested in the bells and whistles and just want to make quality calls.

Would you buy a Ford or a Lexus for the same price? Consider Cingular the Lexus priced Ford.
You have an opportunity you will not have agin for two years. Sieze it.
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nygiants

Nov 23, 2005, 6:43 AM
Dude what a bad comparision, ford gt for the lexus price? hell ya i would take that. Dude VZW is not that sweet.

1) droped calls
2) throw snow on your satilite dish and see what happens? well thats your call quilty with VZW if you are around any thing like trees and crap like that.
3) the CDMA echo
4) Analog, lets see your battery don't last, your phone gets hot, your ear burns, don't get voicemail and text in a analog area. What good are "bars" if you can't use um?
5) striped down phones with noting to offer except #'s 1-4

Man let me tell you, all cingular is going to do is get better! VZW has toped out, cingular is still young and look they just bought out At&t not that long ago. It takes time. But the C2000 not that great...
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 1:14 PM
nygiants said:
Dude what a bad comparision, ford gt for the lexus price? hell ya i would take that. Dude VZW is not that sweet.

1) droped calls
2) throw snow on your satilite dish and see what happens? well thats your call quilty with VZW if you are around any thing like trees and crap like that.
3) the CDMA echo
4) Analog, lets see your battery don't last, your phone gets hot, your ear burns, don't get voicemail and text in a analog area. What good are "bars" if you can't use um?
5) striped down phones with noting to offer except #'s 1-4

Man let me tell you, all cingular is going to do is get better! VZW has toped out, cingular is still young and look they just bought out At&t not that long ago. It takes
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SForsyth01

Nov 23, 2005, 3:10 PM
The majority of the public does not agree that GSM is better than CDMA???? Please. 🙄

GSM = 1.578 Billion Subscribers Worldwide

http://www.gsmworld.com/index.shtml »

CDMA = 285 Million Subscribers Worldwide

http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp »

Seems like the world doesn't agree with you.
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tadams

Nov 23, 2005, 4:25 PM
I would say that it is safe to say that if they prefer CDMA over GSM then they have not experienced both.
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SForsyth01

Nov 23, 2005, 4:29 PM
tadams said:
I would say that it is safe to say that if they prefer CDMA over GSM then they have not experienced both.


I have to say, from someone that has experienced both, that CDMA data blows GSM data away!!! At least right now. We will have to see what HSDPA does.

But one thing I think will never change....CDMA data will always be cheaper than GSM (or Cingular, at least) data.

But, from a voice standpoint, give me GSM anyday. 😁
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mupi

Nov 23, 2005, 9:56 PM
I have experienced both, and my experience is that CDMA is at least the equal of GSM; when you add in high speed data....well....

The only advantage GSM has, that you can take a SIM card and transfer data, is really almost more of a pain. When I did this to transfer data from my nokia to my motorola, it probably would have taken less time to copy the numbers by hand....first I had to copy the numbers from phone to SIM, & make sure that every name only has one number & every name is unique. Then copy the data to my new phone. Then it is a pain to have 3 numbers with almost-but-not-quite the same name, plus all the advantages of assigning the numbers multiple entries and individual ringtones, picture ID, etc, copy the numbers into the ph...
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 5:35 PM
Unfortunately for Cingular. The people in the good ole US have the luxury of choice and they seem to be choosing Verizon. This is not a GSM vs CDMA issue. I OREFER GSM phone technology This is a service/carrier issue. BTW Europeans had no choice and they have a much better implimented wireless phone system. They know how to make GSM work there. They do not have Cingular there. And that makes all the difference.

There is nothing wrong with GSM when implimented properly meaning the proper amount of towers for an advertised covered area. Im not bashing the technology. I hate Verizon phones and enjoy the flexibility of SIM cards and all that. But dropping calls constantly is unacceptable. I wished Cingular was better. I have two great phone...
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mupi

Nov 23, 2005, 9:51 PM
SForsyth01 said:
The majority of the public does not agree that GSM is better than CDMA???? Please. 🙄

GSM = 1.578 Billion Subscribers Worldwide

http://www.gsmworld.com/index.shtml »

CDMA = 285 Million Subscribers Worldwide

http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp »

Seems like the world doesn't agree with you.


This isn't a fair comparison becuase except for the US and maybe Candad, the "rest of the world" doesn't have a choice.

Primarily becuase CDMA piggybacks on the old analog cellular technologies, and the rest of the world never really had cell technology before the advent of GSM. Due to their nature, the technologies are not compatible, so the rest of the world wen...
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mupi

Nov 23, 2005, 10:06 PM
nygiants said:
Dude what a bad comparision, ford gt for the lexus price? hell ya i would take that. Dude VZW is not that sweet.

1) droped calls
2) throw snow on your satilite dish and see what happens? well thats your call quilty with VZW if you are around any thing like trees and crap like that.
3) the CDMA echo
4) Analog, lets see your battery don't last, your phone gets hot, your ear burns, don't get voicemail and text in a analog area. What good are "bars" if you can't use um?
5) striped down phones with noting to offer except #'s 1-4


1) is the same whichever network you are on. I have more problems with dropped calls and having to call ppl back with Cingular than Tmobile. For that matter...
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texaswireless

Nov 23, 2005, 3:00 PM
So were you fishing with your laptop at 2 AM? Just curious?
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cellularman2006

Nov 23, 2005, 3:05 PM
he just may spend alot of time by himself at 2am in the morning (if you know what I mean) 😉
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 5:24 PM
texaswireless said:
So were you fishing with your laptop at 2 AM? Just curious?

No silly. Watching a movie. I always have a notenook around we have three of them and three desktops in our house networked. i know it's hard to believe or comprehend but Some people do not have to get up in the morning at any specific time and can stay up all night doing "foolish things."
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 5:37 PM
lol tx is asking you why your fishing online at 2am? lol hahahahaha now that is funny. tx posts in that timeframe also. lol.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 5:42 PM
nextel18 said:
lol tx is asking you why your fishing online at 2am? lol hahahahaha now that is funny. tx posts in that time frame also. lol.


No he looked back at MY 2am posts and came to the erroneous conclusion that is is somehow wrong to be up at 2AM. He forgets not everyone has a wake up call. He concludes if it does not mesh with his lifestyle it's somehow degenerative and wrong. the guy is a megalomaniac. But there I go practicing without a license again.
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 5:43 PM
ten, i have to admit you are funny. lol 🤣

my point was that if he is making fun of you posting at 2am.. he posts a lot at 2am too. that was my point.. so he probably shouldnt bring that up. that was my point.


lol..
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 5:50 PM
Ten previously said that he has nothing to do in his retirement but read forums. One of his mentioned activities was going fishing with his laptop at hand. Tex asked if he was fishing while posting at 2 am. It's pretty simple.
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 5:52 PM
i am not sure why TX cares about Ten's life which is another pathetic thing..


ten mentioned: "No he looked back at MY 2am posts and came to the erroneous conclusion that is is somehow wrong to be up at 2AM"

then i mentioned that he shouldnt talk becuase he has been on during that timeframe also.

i dont care about if he was fishing.. all i care was that TX mentioned that he is on his laptop posting on here at 2am..

TX just is in everyone's business it seems like.
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:00 PM
Tex and Ten aren't on friendly terms, and the reason why shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

He WAS making a jab at him, but I found it humorous. The thought of anyone posting on a forum at 2 am while fishing is a funny picture (and a cold one this time of year). I think his emphasis was on the fishing part, not the 2 am part though.

In my opinion, Tex is interested in keeping misinformation out of the forum and turning these threads into something useful for consumers.
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 6:03 PM
"Tex and Ten aren't on friendly terms, and the reason why shouldn't be a surprise to anyone."

true premise..

"He WAS making a jab at him, but I found it humorous. The thought of anyone posting on a forum at 2 am while fishing is a funny picture (and a cold one this time of year). I think his emphasis was on the fishing part, not the 2 am part though."

oh.. i probably didnt read all of the convo.. sometimes when TX posts i dont read all of it becuase most of it is filled with stupidity. lol.

"In my opinion, Tex is interested in keeping misinformation out of the forum and turning these threads into something useful for consumers"

i share the same views. lol.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 6:08 PM
ralph_on_me said:
......In my opinion, Tex is interested in keeping misinformation out of the forum and turning these threads into something useful for consumers.


He "will not allow misinformation" think about how rediculous that is. He assumes all information that is not agreeabl to his life and views is misinformation.
And thats where he makes his greatest error. He assumes customers will believe him over anyone who does not agree with him. he believes he is right and all detractors are wrong. He wants to silence or discredit voices that do not agree with HIS views. His biggest fear is someone with opposing views will gleen some kind of credibility, his ego will not allow that becasue it renders his opi...
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 6:11 PM
kinda funny how you just figured this out now.. lol. hahah.


"they are fun to watch when they get mad and start the idiot, moron,etc name calling in frustration."

lol that does sound familar.. remember?

take a look; https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=4&fi=440585

lol.
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:12 PM
As someone who works in the same market as me, but with a different company, I respect his views. I've been in communication with him and another of his work related associates who now owns his own company as well. They're both informative, and vital contacts in my business.

That's just the long way of saying I disagree.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 6:24 PM
ralph_on_me said:
As someone who works in the same market as me, but with a different company, I respect his views. I've been in communication with him and another of his work related associates who now owns his own company as well. They're both informative, and vital contacts in my business.

That's just the long way of saying I disagree.


Yes for you he is correct. you belong to the same club. That understandable. The 3.5 million who ported out last quarter might agree with me. But this isn't Ihatecingular.com. where you guys would be in the minority. The biggest issue is not what other customers will think of what I say. its what they will see as responses to what I say that will determine whether or...
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 6:27 PM
"If I read a store owner calling people that don't agree idiots, trolls, morons. I'm not sure I would want to do business with such a person. "

what a great point!!!

i hope he doesnt treat his customers the same way he talks to us online.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 6:32 PM
nextel18 said:
"If I read a store owner calling people that don't agree idiots, trolls, morons. I'm not sure I would want to do business with such a person. "

what a great point!!!

i hope he doesnt treat his customers the same way he talks to us online.


He doesn't He sells himself. thats what all sales people have to do first. But its phoney and condecending. He could not sell himself to me here. Others did. you will notice I only respond to those who attempt to discredit my point of view on a personal level.
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:39 PM
We do have to sell ourselves. Smiling when I really don't feel like it because I'm annoyed or upset makes me feel slimy. I have to do it sometimes though. I don't lie to sell myself though. Neither will Tadams. I just spent the last five minutes talking to a blue TDMA customer about how he would want to wait to migrate to GSM until he has the chance to see how GSM will perform in the areas he goes camping and fishing. I suggested he grab a few friends, make a trip of it, and just see what he felt of it before making any commitments. I didn't sell that man any equipment, but I sold him myself by being honest and looking out for his best interests.
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 6:41 PM
lol..

hey i know this isnt to me, but i wanted to say have a happy and safe turkey day..

we will talk later.. 🙂

stay safe!! eat lots of turkey!!
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 6:40 PM
yea, that is why i pointed out if he is this rude online does he do this same thing at his store?

anyway, have a great and safe turkey day.. we will speak again later on..

have a great night and weekend!!
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 6:00 PM
ralph_on_me said:
Ten previously said that he has nothing to do in his retirement but read forums. One of his mentioned activities was going fishing with his laptop at hand. Tex asked if he was fishing while posting at 2 am. It's pretty simple.


Why would he assume I am fishing at 2AM is the real question. I never said i had nothing to do. I said I had time to do what I want to to. Big difference. I live in a home on water. I can sit on a dock with a fishing pole and my laptop. I don't see the issue or strangeness in that. Apparently he did.
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:04 PM
I don't think he thought that, as I can't think of anyone who really does fish at 2am. Is that even a good time to fish? I don't fish and so I wouldn't know. He was poking fun at you, but from previous conversations on here between the two of you that should be expected.

I do think the picture of someone fishing off a dock at 2 am with a laptop is a funny picture. It also might make a good painting.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 6:11 PM
ralph_on_me said:
I don't think he thought that, as I can't think of anyone who really does fish at 2am. Is that even a good time to fish? I don't fish and so I wouldn't know. He was poking fun at you, but from previous conversations on here between the two of you that should be expected.

I do think the picture of someone fishing off a dock at 2 am with a laptop is a funny picture. It also might make a good painting.

Fishing is very passive.Drop a line and wait. While you wait you read, have a beer, talk about the weather, or in my case surf the net read the news and poke around over here. I have a tabbed browser, this is not the only thing I do or place i visit when online. But he sees my world thoug...
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:16 PM
If I had a laptop in my lap, and a fishing pole in either hand, the laptop would end up in the water.

The first nibble would make me flail about, kicking wildly and hooting. Maybe this is why I don't fish.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 6:27 PM
ralph_on_me said:
If I had a laptop in my lap, and a fishing pole in either hand, the laptop would end up in the water.

The first nibble would make me flail about, kicking wildly and hooting. Maybe this is why I don't fish.

I hate fishing. Thats why I do other things. I only fish because its there. It's convienient. My neighboors are out there as well, We chat. We could all lose the poles and probably have a better time. But it's a lake. People fish. I dd not even own a fishing pole befor I built this house.LOL. When in Rome and all that.
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:44 PM
I'd probably just tie a weight on the end of the pole instead of a hook and let it sit there while having a beer or three. I'm a big fan of the socialization.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 6:52 PM
ralph_on_me said:
I'd probably just tie a weight on the end of the pole instead of a hook and let it sit there while having a beer or three. I'm a big fan of the socialization.


Thats something I should try.Instead I friggin pray the bobber does not sink. One of my neighboors drags 8lb bass out of this pond. I rather buy my fish. But one of these morings I keep saying Im gonna catch my breakfast. Just once before I croak,

Have a Happy Turkeyday.
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:55 PM
TY, but I call it pie day. So Happy Pie Day to you too.
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 6:04 PM
". I live in a home on water"

me too. 🙂

people get jealous all the time. lol..

but the thing is, one must do something other then posting online at 2am unless its a real news emergency though.. (that is how i feel though)
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ralph_on_me

Nov 23, 2005, 6:08 PM
I sleep at 2 am. Sometimes I get up to go number one, but that's about it.

I'm old and boring.
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 6:09 PM
hahahah.

🤣

thanks for sharing man.. lol.

i just mean perhaps not to post at 2am or in that time frame.
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TenMidgits

Nov 23, 2005, 5:56 PM
nextel18 said:
ten, i have to admit you are funny. lol 🤣

my point was that if he is making fun of you posting at 2am.. he posts a lot at 2am too. that was my point.. so he probably shouldnt bring that up. that was my point.


lol..


I did not notice that. i don't notice when people are posting and make snap judgements about their lives,
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nextel18

Nov 23, 2005, 5:59 PM
well not sure when you started to post here, but if you have noticed TX and SF usually team up on people for no reason what-so-ever and they dont get the simpliest concepts.. oh well.

they also care about other people's lives and judging them...

like i told them.. they are on wayyy too much to even judge anyone on here.
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SForsyth01

Nov 23, 2005, 8:31 AM
The reason it seems that Verizon phones have a deeper discount is because the cost to make CDMA phones is slightly higher than that of GSM.

Also, as far as offering discounts to existing customers, Verizon and Sprint both do, and they are the only carriers that I know of that do it. Verizon gives you $100 off of the 2 Year contract price every two years for an upgrade. Sprint gives you $150 ($75.00 Instant and $75.00 Mail In Rebate) off of the full retail price as an upgrade. With Cingular and T-Mobile, you are simply entitled to the new 1 or 2 year contract price (T-Mo only does 1 year contracts).
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mupi

Nov 23, 2005, 9:45 PM
Also, with verizon, if you spend $79.99+ per month for minutes, you qualify to get an upgrade price every year. (the one year upgrade is the normal "new customer" price; this makes them very competitive with Tmobile, which only offers 1 year contracts. With tmobile one "gotcha" is that if you don't have a high enough rate plan, they don't offer you the new customer price. At least, they didn't to me a year ago...)

Note that the two-year upgrade (extra $100 off) and one-year upgrade (new customer price) only apply to the primary line on the account, however, if they are doing a "buy one, get one free" or "buy one, get four free" then you would qualify for those offers....

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cellularman2006

Nov 23, 2005, 10:07 AM
i am not a fan of either of those phones. lg gsm phones are coming up but are still on the bad side until they prove themselves. samsung has nice call quality but kiddy user interface and bad predictive text format.
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cellularman2006

Nov 23, 2005, 10:08 AM
i'd tell you to go with the sony ericsson z520a. its bluetooth but if you dont need it dont use it.
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sk31

Nov 23, 2005, 4:15 PM
First off, thanks for the replies, they were of much help. I went to 3 Cingular stores today and here are what I was ultimately able to get the prices down to (prices are after the mail in rebate):

Store #1
LG C2000 $50
Nokia 6102 $50 (* Buy one, get one free)
Ericsson Z520a $99
Samsung X497 $30 (Buy one, get four of the same free)

Store #2
LG C2000 $50
Nokia 6102 $40
Samsung X497 $20
Ericsson Z520a - price not available (not in stock)

Store #3
LG C2000 $60
Nokia 6102 $40
Ericsson Z520a $70
Samsung X497 Free

The only accessory I need now is headsets, and stores #2 and #3 are willing to throw them in at no cost. Everything else is equal. As you can see, I added the Z520a to my list after reading your replies - seems...
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everman

Nov 23, 2005, 4:22 PM
In my call center

C200 50
6102 90
z520 30
x497 BOGO for 30

If you ask for the activation fee waived, you are a douche.
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SForsyth01

Nov 23, 2005, 4:24 PM
everman said:
In my call center

C200 50
6102 90
z520 30
x497 BOGO for 30

If you ask for the activation fee waived, you are a douche.


Why is someone a douche for asking to have that waived??? If a customer is able to save money in any way, why not try it??? Obviously Verizon wants his business more because they are willing to waive it and Cingular sales reps think he is a "douche" for asking for it. 🙄

And this post is coming from a Cingular customer.
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innov8ivewireless

Nov 24, 2005, 10:07 AM
1) LG C2000...LG is the #2 handset provider in the US behind Motorola. LG makes a very nice product. Samsung, on the other hand, is not a product that very many associates recommend

2) You will not be able to get the same pricing as the internet as they have no overhead and stores do. MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR YOU, if you have any issues within your trial period (doa, just want a different phone) you cannot be serviced in store, it must go back through the mail and that is the nightmare.

3) Pricing is competitive on the C2000. All pricing offered in store is the same for existing and new customers to be fair. If you find a place that it is not the same, I would go to another location.

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