Cingular's subscribers numbers from 2003-2005.
I did this for Verizon wireless so might as well do this for Cingular and that is in regarding their 2003-2005 results because I feel that it is important to see how this company is doing and might move into the future because of their current but slim lead.
In 2003= Cingular signed up 2.1 million subscribers to have a total of 45.664 million subscribers, which is including all the proforma numbers and the subscribers from ATTWS. Their ARPU was $49 and their churn was about 2.8%
In 2004= Cingular signed up 3.1 million subscribers to have a total of 48.773 million subscribers. Their churn was an average of 2.5% with an average ARPU of $49.
In 2005= Cingular signed up 5.3 million subscribers for a total of 54.112 million subscribers...
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In 2003= Cingular signed up 2.1 million subscribers to have a total of 45.664 million subscribers, which is including all the proforma numbers and the subscribers from ATTWS. Their ARPU was $49 and their churn was about 2.8%
In 2004= Cingular signed up 3.1 million subscribers to have a total of 48.773 million subscribers. Their churn was an average of 2.5% with an average ARPU of $49.
In 2005= Cingular signed up 5.3 million subscribers for a total of 54.112 million subscribers...
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It's pretty hard to figure out how well the reseller portion of their net adds will do. Will Radio Shak have any impact? And what if they reintroduce a $29.99 plan officially (I can already do it unofficially)?
I'm glad the churn is going down though it will never be as low as Verizon's because of how much of Cingular's numbers are resold or pre-paid.
I'm glad the churn is going down though it will never be as low as Verizon's because of how much of Cingular's numbers are resold or pre-paid.
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I have always thought that Radio Shack isn’t a very good company in the first place because they have said some controversial comments about how bad the wireless industry is fairing yet the wireless industry as a whole continues to show strong growth year over year and quarter over quarter. Will they have an impact? Of course because that’s another distribution channel, but I think they won’t really have a positive impact because of Cingular’s bad reputation currently. When their reputation changes and Radio Shack changes its views on the wireless industry perhaps they will do well.
Yes, I am glad to see some metrics improve but overall they don’t seem to do quite well. The majority of 2003-2005 subscriber growth was because of bring...
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Yes, I am glad to see some metrics improve but overall they don’t seem to do quite well. The majority of 2003-2005 subscriber growth was because of bring...
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I have always thought that Radio Shack isn’t a very good company in the first place because they have said some controversial comments about how bad the wireless industry is fairing yet the wireless industry as a whole continues to show strong growth year over year and quarter over quarter. Will they have an impact? Of course because that’s another distribution channel, but I think they won’t really have a positive impact because of Cingular’s bad reputation currently. When their reputation changes and Radio Shack changes its views on the wireless industry perhaps they will do well.
Yes, I am glad to see some metrics improve but overall they don’t seem to do quite well. The majority of 2003-2005 sub
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Unfortunately, SF, you don’t understand wireless whatsoever and the same thing with Radio Shack because they mentioned some things that weren’t true that is why I don’t think they will change anything, because the carriers will find other channels to sell more services and products.
These posts by you are basically very pointless and I think they are a waste of bandwidth. Perhaps if you actually give some value it would be great.
Radio shack is responsible for around 10%-15% of the net ads for the carriers but that is slowly decreasing because the other carriers are finding other means of channels such as corporate stores and internet and other things. I believe it is very easy for the carriers to make that difference up by other me...
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These posts by you are basically very pointless and I think they are a waste of bandwidth. Perhaps if you actually give some value it would be great.
Radio shack is responsible for around 10%-15% of the net ads for the carriers but that is slowly decreasing because the other carriers are finding other means of channels such as corporate stores and internet and other things. I believe it is very easy for the carriers to make that difference up by other me...
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Nextel18,
Cingular stopped treating migrations as new activations in early 2005. They also have counted migrations seperately from net activations since the aquisition.
Cingular stopped treating migrations as new activations in early 2005. They also have counted migrations seperately from net activations since the aquisition.
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Well every time they released their numbers, they have always mentioned about how many people they have retained and signed up from the ATTWS end, which makes sense that they add it to their subscriber total, but perhaps they add it in a small portion but they do add it. (Because the numbers got bigger so obviously they added them)
(For example, they claimed they have re-tained and re-signed 7 million ATTWS customers so far)
(For example, they claimed they have re-tained and re-signed 7 million ATTWS customers so far)
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OK,
That is correct, they mention it. But they don't use those numbers to pad their net gains. That particular customer is already part of their total.
It is important to show how the migration of the former ATTWS customer base is progressing, hence why they show the base and it's status.
That is correct, they mention it. But they don't use those numbers to pad their net gains. That particular customer is already part of their total.
It is important to show how the migration of the former ATTWS customer base is progressing, hence why they show the base and it's status.
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Well, when they mention those 7 million plus subscribers they transform from the ATTWS side, that obviously pads their net gains becuase they add it to their numbers. (not sure how they add it to it whether it is quarterly or yearly or it was already added when the merger took place)
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Do you have any evidence of this?
The subscriber is already counted as a current customer. If they were doing this the numbers wouldn't add up.
Unless you have evidence of this I believe your theory is not accurate. Migrations have never been counted as a net gain. The numbers were reported to show migration progress.
The subscriber is already counted as a current customer. If they were doing this the numbers wouldn't add up.
Unless you have evidence of this I believe your theory is not accurate. Migrations have never been counted as a net gain. The numbers were reported to show migration progress.
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I don’t have to have evidence of that because it is obvious that they either added it to their net gains, (quarterly or yearly), or on a total basis when they merged and counted ATTWS and Cingular's adds together.
If you read what I said I mentioned that they added those numbers to their total subscribers in gains but I mentioned I am not sure how they did it whether it was done quarterly or yearly or was it just altogether when they merged.
Hope you understand.
If you read what I said I mentioned that they added those numbers to their total subscribers in gains but I mentioned I am not sure how they did it whether it was done quarterly or yearly or was it just altogether when they merged.
Hope you understand.
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How is it obvious?
I read what you said but if it is that obvious then there should be some figures that don't add up. 7 Million customers extra would mean their net gains were 7 million more than the gains in their customer base (since that customer was ALREADY being counted).
If they had 9 million in net gains and 7 was from ATTWS migration then their base would only improve by 2 million. They counted the ATTWS customer base as their own from day one.
I read what you said but if it is that obvious then there should be some figures that don't add up. 7 Million customers extra would mean their net gains were 7 million more than the gains in their customer base (since that customer was ALREADY being counted).
If they had 9 million in net gains and 7 was from ATTWS migration then their base would only improve by 2 million. They counted the ATTWS customer base as their own from day one.
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That is why I said that I was not sure whether they add it in a quarter or yearly basis (making the numbers diluted) or they just added that 7 million or whatever they brought over from ATTWS to its total base when they merged.
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OK,
If they added them at any point it would be easy to find. You keep such good track of of these releases every quarter but you don't know when it was done?
Look over the quarters since the merger (there have been 5) and see where it is.
Otherwise you are making a pretty significant accusation that you can't back up. This isn't an opinion. It either happened or it didn't.
If they added them at any point it would be easy to find. You keep such good track of of these releases every quarter but you don't know when it was done?
Look over the quarters since the merger (there have been 5) and see where it is.
Otherwise you are making a pretty significant accusation that you can't back up. This isn't an opinion. It either happened or it didn't.
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TX.
I am not sure if you are understand my opinion that I am stating, and it isn’t a accusation loll because it is just simply an opinion that is sound and makes sense.
Let me say it again… (This will be the last time I will dwell on this situation so lets hope that you understand it.)
They keep on saying how many subscribers that they take over from ATTWS onto their “legacy” network but I have been saying that it is difficult to determine whether they actually add those numbers on a quarter by quarter basis or yearly basis in a diluted manner or did they already add those numbers in when they merged. (Basically took ATTW’s subscriber total and Cingular’s total and combined them) I am not sure what is so difficult with that co...
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I am not sure if you are understand my opinion that I am stating, and it isn’t a accusation loll because it is just simply an opinion that is sound and makes sense.
Let me say it again… (This will be the last time I will dwell on this situation so lets hope that you understand it.)
They keep on saying how many subscribers that they take over from ATTWS onto their “legacy” network but I have been saying that it is difficult to determine whether they actually add those numbers on a quarter by quarter basis or yearly basis in a diluted manner or did they already add those numbers in when they merged. (Basically took ATTW’s subscriber total and Cingular’s total and combined them) I am not sure what is so difficult with that co...
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Ok,
I get exactly what you are saying but this isn't an opinion situation. It can easily be proved or disproved. It is an accusation because you are accusing Cingular of padding their numbers. Why you are choosing not to prove an easily achieved figure is beyond me. It would take you mere minutes to prove your theory.
Cingular stated a customer base number after the aquisition. You simply take the number of subs then, the number of subs now (after Q4 numbers) and you have a difference. That will equal their net gains reported from the last 5 quarters (less corrections as officially announced). If it DOESN'T EQUAL their numbers and the amount it is off equals the number of migrations reported then your accusation is sound. But i...
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I get exactly what you are saying but this isn't an opinion situation. It can easily be proved or disproved. It is an accusation because you are accusing Cingular of padding their numbers. Why you are choosing not to prove an easily achieved figure is beyond me. It would take you mere minutes to prove your theory.
Cingular stated a customer base number after the aquisition. You simply take the number of subs then, the number of subs now (after Q4 numbers) and you have a difference. That will equal their net gains reported from the last 5 quarters (less corrections as officially announced). If it DOESN'T EQUAL their numbers and the amount it is off equals the number of migrations reported then your accusation is sound. But i...
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sangyup81 said:
It's pretty hard to figure out how well the reseller portion of their net adds will do. Will Radio Shak have any impact? And what if they reintroduce a $29.99 plan officially (I can already do it unofficially)?
I'm glad the churn is going down though it will never be as low as Verizon's because of how much of Cingular's numbers are resold or pre-paid.
And one VERY important part of Verizon keeping churn down is having a strict contract policy... anyone at Cingular can change a rate plan and 95% of the time not have to extend the contract. Verizon requires it on all plan changes...
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Hello Moto said:sangyup81 said:
It's pretty hard to figure out how well the reseller portion of their net adds will do. Will Radio Shak have any impact? And what if they reintroduce a $29.99 plan officially (I can already do it unofficially)?
I'm glad the churn is going down though it will never be as low as Verizon's because of how much of Cingular's numbers are resold or pre-paid.
And one VERY important part of Verizon keeping churn down is having a strict contract policy... anyone at Cingular can change a rate plan and 95% of the time not have to extend the contract. Verizon requires it on all plan changes...
In addition, most of Cingular's customers have a pror...
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Hello Moto said:...Hello Moto said:sangyup81 said:
It's pretty hard to figure out how well the reseller portion of their net adds will do. Will Radio Shak have any impact? And what if they reintroduce a $29.99 plan officially (I can already do it unofficially)?
I'm glad the churn is going down though it will never be as low as Verizon's because of how much of Cingular's numbers are resold or pre-paid.
And one VERY important part of Verizon keeping churn down is having a strict contract policy... anyone at Cingular can change a rate plan and 95% of the time not have to extend the contract. Verizon requires it on all plan changes...
In addition, mos
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Like I said "most"... Telegence accounts a 2 or 3 Care markets, but, given I'm in the Southeast, most have the $240.00 ETF prorated...
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nextel18 said:
In 2003= Cingular signed up 2.1 million subscribers to have a total of 45.664 million subscribers, which is including all the proforma numbers and the subscribers from ATTWS. Their ARPU was $49 and their churn was about 2.8%
LMAO The merger didnt take place until Nov of 2004. How are you coming up with these numbers for 2003? 🙄
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Sorry, that was supposed to go to the next line down in 2004, not 2003.
in 2003= they signed up 2.1 million subscribers to end with 24 million subscribers. their arpu and Churn are the same.
in 2003= they signed up 2.1 million subscribers to end with 24 million subscribers. their arpu and Churn are the same.
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Hmmm... Maybe if I focus on my ass is will get smaller lol 🤣 ... sorry nextel I just couldnt resist!
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nextel18 said:
Sorry, that was supposed to go to the next line down in 2004, not 2003.
in 2003= they signed up 2.1 million subscribers to end with 24 million subscribers. their arpu and Churn are the same.
It's completly obvios that you are never wrong 🙄 no matter how little sense you make sometimes
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