But there are a great deal of people working for Telephia, even in an executive position. By failing to show the resume of all executives we have no idea if this is a trend, an abnormality or what. The other executives, where did THEY work? Did they also work in some capacity for Bell South or Cingular? Did they work in the industry for some other carrier or in a different capacity.

If there are say 12 board members and 5 executives and half of them worked for Cingular or it's previous companies you might have something. If, on the other hand, there are 2 members with Cingular ties and 3 members with Verizon ties and 4 members with Motorola ties and so on then you have nothing.

Context.

i def. have something even if it is far fecthed..

the study was for cingular.. a few people either worked for them or have ties to (bls), which owns cingular. that shows a red flag to me. unless there is another company out there like IDG or others then this means nothing.. based on metrics, they arent even close to be having the top network.. (complaints also would bring that into play)

Well, you acknowledge that it is far fetched, which it is. You can find a conspiracy anywhere you want to look. 2 out of however many board members and executives were once employed by Bell South as well as many other distinguished companies.

Telephia was around well before Cingular and rated Southwestern Bell Wireless, Pacific Bell Wireless and others as having good networks. At that time those companies had nothing to do with Bell South, they were owned by SBC.

You are smart enough to know that the complaints issue was inheritied by ATTWS, which lead in that catagory. The merger did not make them go away.

Telephia is an independant company, plain and simple. Do a profile on their entire management team and board and see where...
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but the red flags are there. it all leads to a conflict of interest and that was my point...

the complaints were in total.

as i mentioned before, if IDG or any other one did the same study and reached the same conclusions then that is different..

why is it a red flag? if their execs were up to something, we would have been rated #1 a long time ago... thank you.

i already explained why it is a red flag..

1. the study was on cingular..

2. the company at hand as execs that either a. are with bls now or have been with them.

3. bell south owns cingular.

owns 40% of Cingular. And I thought the study was on drive test? Testing the national carriers?

It was. Sorry to say but Nextel18 is now spinning this report to fit his agenda. I see no other reason for his actions. At least he admitted his conspiracy theory is far fetched.

If it was a hidden agenda to report Cingular #1, why even waste the gas or have other carrier's phones! Maybe they expensed the gas to use as a way to hide diverted funds to board members! 😲 🤣

the point is.. i want to see other reports such as the FCC or others to make this report valid and for me to belive it.

nextel18 said:
the point is.. i want to see other reports such as the FCC or others to make this report valid and for me to belive it.

Yep, cingular sucks and everyone knows it, some internal memo doesn't change that. The CEO knows the truth and so does anyone with a clue. They ranked dead last in once again with CR as having a wide spread static problem, there is no arguing that.

that is why to say that their network is the best in the industry and better then verizon is false.. and i base that on metrics such as lifetime revenue per user, and net adds.


i agree.

if you notice when i just post that, everyone bashes me for it.. they are so defensive.. all i was just saying was that there were a few red flags. lol.

nextel18 said:
the point is.. i want to see other reports such as the FCC or others to make this report valid and for me to believe it.

Why is it that you are so quick to believe Verizon has the best network based on THEIR OWN drive tests...yet you won't believe Cingular has the best network based on an INDEPENDENT COMPANY'S drive tests because a member of the board had ties with Bellsouth?

Isn't that what you would call contradictory?

RUFF1415 said:

nextel18 said:
the point is.. i want to see other reports such as the FCC or others to make this report valid and for me to believe it.

Why is it that you are so quick to believe Verizon has the best network based on THEIR OWN drive tests...yet you won't believe Cingular has the best network based on an INDEPENDENT COMPANY'S drive tests because a member of the board had ties with Bellsouth?

Isn't that what you would call contradictory?

Because you know (or maybe you don't), all of the members of Verizon's board have ties to Verizon.

😳

i dont care about their own test drives, perhaps that is you guys dont understand... i care of what the FCC says, and the metrics such as lifetime revenue per user, churn, and total net adds per quarter. with those metrics they (verizon) destroys cingular.. and with the FCC reports, they do the same.

i am not sure why you guys dont understand.

all i said was it was a red flag, and your making it a big deal..

stop holding your caps for a few words, im not blind.

Show me where the FCC reported Verizon's network as being the best. I'd be interested to see it.

well, we didnt see the report yet, but as i said before, i look at their metrics and their metrics speak for themselves.

So you're essentially saying that the FCC never did rate Verizon as the best network?

Thought so.

i never did say that... i am saying based on complaints etc.. is a big component of deciding which has the best network... by customers' views.

again, your making this a big deal.

No, I'm honestly not. I don't recall being the one bringing up false ideas to reinforce my statements.

of course you are.. i stated my opinion why. it makes sense. and thats it.

false ideas? lol. thats funny. my ideas are sound and clear. you are making a big deal by rambling on.

Compiling FCC data in 2004, a Consumers Union report cited 29,478 wireless complaints received by the FCC, up nearly 38% from 2003. Billing problems were the most common, followed by number portability complaints, service quality, and contracts and marketing

Most Complaints On Billing:
1. Cingular / AT&T Wireless
2. Cellular One
3. T-Mobile
4. Sprint PCS
5. ALLTEL
6. Verizon Wireless
7. Nextel
8. U.S. Cellular


Most Complaints On Service:
1. Cingular / AT&T Wireless
2. T-Mobile
3. Nextel
4. Sprint PCS
5. ALLTEL
6. Cellular One
7. Verizon Wireless
8. U.S. Cellular


Most Complaints Overall:
1. Cingular / AT&T Wireless
2. Cellular One
3. T-Mobile
4. Sprint PCS
5. Nextel
6. ALLTEL
7. Ver...
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"Billing problems were the most common, followed by number portability complaints, service quality, and contracts and marketing."

Sounds to me like complaints about service were much more than just network related. Say like, the part about number portability and contracts and marketing.

you have selective seeing it looks like...

everything that has to deal with service is network related. people port becuase of a problem with the network.

Well if I have "selective seeing" then you have comprehension issues.

Compiling FCC data in 2004, a Consumers Union report cited 29,478 wireless complaints received by the FCC, up nearly 38% from 2003. Billing problems were the most common, followed by number portability complaints, service quality, and contracts and marketing.

Most Complaints On Billing:
1. Cingular / AT&T Wireless
2. Cellular One
3. T-Mobile
4. Sprint PCS
5. ALLTEL
6. Verizon Wireless
7. Nextel
8. U.S. Cellular


Most Complaints On Service:
1. Cingular / AT&T Wireless
2. T-Mobile
3. Nextel
4. Sprint PCS
5. ALLTEL
6. Cellular One
7. Verizon Wireless
8. U.S. Cellular


Most Complaints Overall:
1. Cingular / AT&T Wir

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yes, you have problems with understanding this it seems like.. why are you attackign me? shame on you.. its about time you stop posting and try to understand poeple..

this is the last time i will go over this becuase i dont have all night like you do to post..

this is it...
1. service has to deal with network.
2. verizon got the fewiest complaint against cingular.

thus; verizon has a better network then cingular..

that is just on that situation.. now on the whole metric situation... lifetime revenue per user, total net adds and churn...

nextel18 said:
yes, you have problems with understanding this it seems like.. why are you attackign me? shame on you.. its about time you stop posting and try to understand poeple..

this is the last time i will go over this becuase i dont have all night like you do to post..

this is it...
1. service has to deal with network.
2. verizon got the fewiest complaint against cingular.

thus; verizon has a better network then cingular..

that is just on that situation.. now on the whole metric situation... lifetime revenue per user, total net adds and churn...

that was before most of the network was integrated. why bring this up if we just beat everyone out with fewest dropped calls? why are ranked nu...
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well it is from 2004 and there is no 2005 list yet so that is the most current thing that is out there that is truly independent.

by the way, i am not basing all my information on that, and stop giving an excuse about the network integration.. there were problems before and after it.. but continuing onto my thought, this was another source of infor i was using, the other one has to deal with metrics such as total net adds, lifetime revenue per user and churn. verizon destroys cingular in those metrics which shows dominance in the industry.

Hey Mel, stop combining your conspiracy theories with true fact.

I don't see Verizon, T-Mobile or Sprint coming out with press releases disputing the results of the Telephia test, so your own little pet theory doesn't negate the fact that IT IS INDEPENDANT.

And the FCC information is based on consumer complaints. While important, you have posted yourself that you know customers don't alsways have proper expectations about how phones really are designed to work. That says NOTHING about the network, it says everything about expectations.

1+1 does not equal 3, expect in Nextel18's little world.

whose mel?

you have nothing else to do then to attack me?

it says service; that means network...

1+1 = 3

It doesn't say network, so it doesn't mean network. The leaps you make are astounding.

Go rent Conspiracy Theory.

another attack against me.. how pathetic...

service= network.. its that simple...

ok .. obviously since every single conversation that we have leads to you attacking me this is the last post to you.

1+1=3

nextel18 said:
well it is from 2004 and there is no 2005 list yet so that is the most current thing that is out there that is truly independent.

by the way, i am not basing all my information on that, and stop giving an excuse about the network integration.. there were problems before and after it.. but continuing onto my thought, this was another source of infor i was using, the other one has to deal with metrics such as total net adds, lifetime revenue per user and churn. verizon destroys cingular in those metrics which shows dominance in the industry.

also, look at the two's return policy, cingular gives 30 days, which is fair. most people cannot return within 14 days, and if they get home and it works...
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Hello Moto said:

nextel18 said:
well it is from 2004 and there is no 2005 list yet so that is the most current thing that is out there that is truly independent.

by the way, i am not basing all my information on that, and stop giving an excuse about the network integration.. there were problems before and after it.. but continuing onto my thought, this was another source of infor i was using, the other one has to deal with metrics such as total net adds, lifetime revenue per user and churn. verizon destroys cingular in those metrics which shows dominance in the industry.

also, look at the two's return policy, cingular gives 30 days, which is fair. most people cannot return within 14 da

...
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perhaps that is the problem with cingular that they are more lenient, and verizon is very strict so it basically makes the customer to sign more. i think cingular should do a simliar policy to make their customers say or do something.. however, they have to fix their image and network first.. $7B this year in capex will def. help out coverage on paper, but we will have to see if it will work in the real world... to fix the image, will be a long process, but it is key to their growth and future.

Thank you for mentioning prepaid. Look at the ferocity that Cingular has marketed GoPhone Pick Your Plan. Verizon doesn't have it. It's more of European thing. And now that you can add insurance, MEdia net and international packages, watch those numbers climb. US wireless companies have focused so long on post paid and for years pre paid was bottom of the barrel, but now it's shifting. People are staying loyal, just without having to do a contract and GoPhone is proof of that. Customers don't have to buy minutes, they don't get a bill, it's all auto drafted, and now that Cingular is selling Pre-Paid Visa, it's a good combination that is working well for them and will continue to help growth. Just as at&t is dealing with a reputation of old, ...
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well cingular does great with prepaid, while verizon doesnt even seem to be focusing on prepaid, which i dont really understand becuase if they spend any time on prepaid they would be extremly successful since their postpaid is obviously very good.

it is good that the subscriber mix be diversified with the postpaid, prepaid and wholesale becuase it will improve business.

Hello Moto said:
Thank you for mentioning prepaid. Look at the ferocity that Cingular has marketed GoPhone Pick Your Plan. Verizon doesn't have it. It's more of European thing. And now that you can add insurance, MEdia net and international packages, watch those numbers climb. US wireless companies have focused so long on post paid and for years pre paid was bottom of the barrel, but now it's shifting. People are staying loyal, just without having to do a contract and GoPhone is proof of that. Customers don't have to buy minutes, they don't get a bill, it's all auto drafted, and now that Cingular is selling Pre-Paid Visa, it's a good combination that is working well for them and will continue to help growth. Just as at&t

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i will def. be posting and watching this year 2006 subscriber growth for all the carriers including verizon and cingular..

it should be interesting...

the problem is arpu is neck and neck, however, verizon has more postpaid net subscribers then cingular by at least 2 times which gives verizon an advantage. wholesale arpu is around 10-20$ arpu and prepaid is around $30. cingular beats out on both of them, but postpaid verizon wins and that will give you greater margins then prepaid and wholesale.

we will see..

nextel18 said:
this is the last time i will go over this

I should ad this to the "wheel of nextel18 responses"

Someone doesn't agree with you so it must be because they don't understand you.

And 12:40 at night? Stop complaining about when others post.

it was actually 1:40am, i dont post on this website at that time, and i mentioned that i couldnt sleep. so i decided to post..

Who cares what the reason is WHY you posted, you did. As you like to say, shame on you for criticizing when others choose to post.

i dont critize people for posting lol.

you care about this too much....

you know everytime you and i have a dialogue it always ends up you attacking me, how come? nothign better to do?

It hasn't been that way for months. I stopped attacking you because you were crying and whining about how everyone attacks you. I stopped to see if, as you said, being civil would get you to act reasonable. You were still a little bitch. You still took personal jabs. You still brought me up in a negative fashion. Stop with your noble b.s. Nobody is buying it. I could care what you say about me, I just wanted to prove you couldn't act like an adult no matter the circumstances.

You refuse to answer questions that challenge your theories. You act like you don't read messages you don't like. You are just a child, trying to wade through an adult world.

I care because you post half truths and misleading information. I care because...
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How's this for a response to all your research (and in this particular instance, to make Cingular look bad)........SOOOOOO WHAT??????? I could care less how they rank. They have satisfied my needs well for 10+ years, and I am not changing. If Cingular drops down from 54 million to 2 subscribers, then I will be one of the 2 still left. I didn't see you post this in the T-mo forum nor the Verizon forum. So you are singling out Cingular. Why do you like to bash them. Will they not offer you service because you're a moron and you have a life long personal vendetta against them???

i had a point against another member in this forum and i wanted to bring out that list to prove it. to give some reasonining to my sound idea.

if the carrier satifies you then you shouldnt worry so much about what i am posting about regardless if its positive or negative. i know poeple tend to have a bias towards their own carrier but be more realistic and try not to be bias.

if you actually look at my posts in the other forum i talk about the carriers in a negative and positive way.. i talked about what they did in the 4th quarter and what they did for full year 2005 and other means.

i dont bash cingular, i just give opinions and sound reasonings about any carrier and if its bad its not my fault, but i try to give a neutral post...
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well now they own 100 percent of cingular loll... and its just a red flag thats all..

Nextel18,

The study was not only on Cingular. Please stop skewing the evidence to fit your theory.