WHY WHY WHY????????????
would you pay Cingular, $300.00 for the V3i when you could have bought it on eBay like I did a long time ago for $200.00 and not to mention that they told me the retail price with no contract is $600.00 😳 what the hell makes the phone worth more from Cingular than from MOTO?
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At $300, you're still paying less than what they charge dealers for it. It'll drop in price shortly, they just want the people who can afford to pay that much for an overhyped product to buy it first.
They'll have to wait at least 30 days though so people aren't returning it for the price difference. $600 is a bit high for the retail price though. You should be able to find it around $400, but it sounds like you already got a much better deal.
They'll have to wait at least 30 days though so people aren't returning it for the price difference. $600 is a bit high for the retail price though. You should be able to find it around $400, but it sounds like you already got a much better deal.
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Why do they chaarge you so much for the dealers so much for the phone and how are they being sold on eBay for around 200.00 when you as a dealer have to pay more than that?
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You did not get a V3i on ebay for $200, sorry. Stop making up stuff on here for shock value. It is getting old.
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no tex he did. ive seen v3i's for $199.99 shipping is about 40 bucks. but ebay does have it at that price.
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I have seen V3i without Itunes for that. Like it or not, Itunes adds to the cost as Apple gets their chunk.
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I can buy the V3i from a local vendor with non EU programming (actual US programming) for around the same cost. I choose not to as it is not Cingular branded as does not have Itunes. I can also get L6 handsets for much cheaper than L7 handsets. I also stock Blue V3 handsets with Cingular software which most stores do not.
The problem is many here want to make the comparison but do not truly understand the difference.
The problem is many here want to make the comparison but do not truly understand the difference.
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I love those L6s. A lot of customers who don't want or need itunes but want the other features love that they can pay $100 less for it.
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I have thought of carrying them as I can get them preloaded with Cingular software. Just not alot of demand here to justify the order.
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they charge dealers so much for flagship phones so competition between corp. and indirect stays the same. they know most dealers sell their phone a little lower than corps. so if they hike it up to the sky we cant afford to drop the price.
you know whats funny the v3i in cost is higher than some of our smartphones.
you know whats funny the v3i in cost is higher than some of our smartphones.
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I am guessing you are not in cell phone sales and have no idea what subsidy/profit ratio is. See, we buy the phones for a different price than what the customer pays. We on average subsidize the phone around $60 per activation. So if we buy the v3i for $325 from the distributor we sell it for $250. when the cost of the handset goes down we can AFFORD to discount it more. You act like there is infinite profit on our end. We have to pay our bills too!
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stephen, its none of your damn business how much cingular pays for a phone we are going to sell it for as much as we feel like because we are a BUSINESS not a NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. Anything you buy from any retailer is going to have a huge markup...deal with it man, calm down.
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Sorry but what a bunch of BS…. I have a very hard time believing Cingular pays anywhere near $325 for their v3i phones they sell to their customers and common sense says otherwise. How can a small online retailer sell the same unlocked version of the phone for $229 and still make a healthy profit. I would think with as many cell phones as Cingular sells each year that they would themselves have the most purchasing power of anybody in the industry. The only reason they want public to believe they are subsidizing a large portion of the cost of the phone is to justify their reasons for forcing their customers into long-term contracts. It is just all a marketing / accounting trick.
It is just like in the new car industry and a car deale...
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amen 😁
I hope Cingular loses its rank as the number one carrier in the nation. This has all gone to their head. they think they can do whatever they want because theyre big. the other day, I was on the phone with a CSR. I asked him if now that the V3i has been released, will the Krazr be pushed back. He said "it will most likely be pushed back, they will want to give time for the v3i to sell." i asked, "isnt verizon going to release their CDMA K1m soon? He replied "we're not worried about Verizon, we are the largest carrier."
wtf kind of response is that. and yes, sprint does have a right to compare their EVDO network to our EDGE network because HSDPA is only available in like 10 percent of america(prolly not even) also, most of the...
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I hope Cingular loses its rank as the number one carrier in the nation. This has all gone to their head. they think they can do whatever they want because theyre big. the other day, I was on the phone with a CSR. I asked him if now that the V3i has been released, will the Krazr be pushed back. He said "it will most likely be pushed back, they will want to give time for the v3i to sell." i asked, "isnt verizon going to release their CDMA K1m soon? He replied "we're not worried about Verizon, we are the largest carrier."
wtf kind of response is that. and yes, sprint does have a right to compare their EVDO network to our EDGE network because HSDPA is only available in like 10 percent of america(prolly not even) also, most of the...
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I don't know why everyone is freaking out about the v3i it isn't even that cool of a phone. As far as cost the retail cost is $325 but we buy ours from the distrubtor for around $270. As to why the ones through online companies can sell it for 229 outright that is the million dollar question. Our moto rep told us that the v3i would be the last i-tunes phone they produce and the krzr will be out by christmas! But I still won't sell it I'll push nokia and the w810i when it comes out. Moto can eat my a$$
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Are you not very smart? the whole industry has a bloody history of mergers and aquisitions. Remember Voicestream till deutchse telekom bought them. Remeber airtouch? That was one of the companies before several companies merged together to create verizon. What about sprint nextel. COmpanies always merge to become larger companies.
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Chainsaw let me set you straight and maybe educate you along the way as it is you who is showing their ignorance and I stand by agreements in my original post.
First off, at the risk of sounding arrogant and self-important I am smart, very smart in fact, I have earned an undergraduate BS degree in Computer science from UC Davis and an graduate MBA degree from UCLA, both with honors I might add. What is your educational background, what makes you such an industry expert?
I am fully aware of mergers and acquisitions and the reasons for them, some good but many times not so good. Sometimes it is to grow a company, sometimes it is to gain access to new technologies or enter new markets, but many times its soul purpose is to stave off or ...
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First off, at the risk of sounding arrogant and self-important I am smart, very smart in fact, I have earned an undergraduate BS degree in Computer science from UC Davis and an graduate MBA degree from UCLA, both with honors I might add. What is your educational background, what makes you such an industry expert?
I am fully aware of mergers and acquisitions and the reasons for them, some good but many times not so good. Sometimes it is to grow a company, sometimes it is to gain access to new technologies or enter new markets, but many times its soul purpose is to stave off or ...
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I don't understand where all these complaints are coming from. I have sold verizon t-mobile at&t and now cingular. We had complaints with all of them. I can imagine they occurred in other markets where cingular and at&t co-existed but I am in a market where we were solely at&t. The wireless industry is very complex and I don't know how anyone person can say that so and so company is going under because of X reason. Every company has complaints every company has had complaints to the BBB in my market. Did the merger go smoothly between at&t and cingular? I think it would be hard for it to be perfect but it was pretty painless here. A cingular network tech told me once that the merger on the tech side was like taking a part a 737 and putting t...
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While I agree with you on some points, on some of your opinions I feel that A: you are, in spite of the aforementioned educational accolades, misguided, or B: you just don't like Cingular. 😕 You complain about Cingular discounting phones to lock cusotmer's into a two year agreement, but yet every single wireless company in America does that, as do several other services, i.e. Direct TV, DSL services, and several others. You say if it weren't for those two year agreements, everyone would leave Cingular, yet we've always had two year agreements, and our churn is at an all-time low. You state we changed our pricing to pay for the merger. Well, as a college graduate, you should know that is business 101. Yes, we did raise our rates on mo...
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The point is Cingular DOES NOT subsidize the cost of the phone, they just want to make you think they do so they can lock you into a two year contract and keep you from leaving.
Your opinion doesn't change the fact that stores are paying more for the phones than we sell them for. The cost does seem inflated to me, but my opinions have nothing to do with reality.
You also cannot argue that Cingular isn't offering competitive pricing on monthly service. Every other major carrier has the same pricing, except for T-mobile. You also can't claim that one gives you more for the money, as we all have our positives and negatives.
Switch carriers if you want to, but you'll only be paying the...
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Well, let's see how to respond to this...
First off, my 15 years in this industry as a sales rep, store manager, regional manager and now owner of several stores trumps your book smarts. So if I agree that you have book smarts you must then agree that I have you dominated in industry knowledge.
Second, on what are you basing your information that Cingular DOES NOT subsidize phones? Bottom line, we (Cingular corporate and indirect dealers like myself) sell phones for less that we pay for them. In most cases around $80-$100 less. I guess one of your degrees was not in economics as that is a subsidy. Second, I know what Cingular pays Motorola and others for their phones. Over 15 years in this business I have made many contacts and s...
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First off, my 15 years in this industry as a sales rep, store manager, regional manager and now owner of several stores trumps your book smarts. So if I agree that you have book smarts you must then agree that I have you dominated in industry knowledge.
Second, on what are you basing your information that Cingular DOES NOT subsidize phones? Bottom line, we (Cingular corporate and indirect dealers like myself) sell phones for less that we pay for them. In most cases around $80-$100 less. I guess one of your degrees was not in economics as that is a subsidy. Second, I know what Cingular pays Motorola and others for their phones. Over 15 years in this business I have made many contacts and s...
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This guy is one of those Verizon customers. You can always see them coming. They know more than you do, and they love the "network." These customers are the ones I recommend to go somewhere else and buy.
Recommended sales script : "Mr. Customer, you have proven to me that you know more than Craig McCaw, Alexander Graham Bell, and the FCC put together. Since you are a pain in the a$$ now, I am sure you will be in the future. I emplore you, please buy your phone online, and enjoy the benefits of online customer service. Have a great day."
Recommended sales script : "Mr. Customer, you have proven to me that you know more than Craig McCaw, Alexander Graham Bell, and the FCC put together. Since you are a pain in the a$$ now, I am sure you will be in the future. I emplore you, please buy your phone online, and enjoy the benefits of online customer service. Have a great day."
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Didn't Verizon once buy other companies, and, in essence, buy their way to the top?
Aren't Sprint and Nextel making an attempt to do the same?
It's the American way.
Aren't Sprint and Nextel making an attempt to do the same?
It's the American way.
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sorry buddy you are full of b.s.
the dealer cost to our agent is in the late 300's.
an online retailer can sell an unlocked one for far cheaper because the phone was release MONTHS AGO UNLOCKED. so there is so many unlocked ones floating around they are able to be sold at $229. now when branded versions are released and moto is charging x amount of dollars and cingular is only ordering y amount because they dont know how this phone will do for them then they are charged z amount from moto. when moto creates more the bulk cost to cingular drops then the price for customer does too.
nobody is slandering anyone's complaints but there are legit reasons why prices are the way they are.
as far as companies buying companies. verizon would...
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the dealer cost to our agent is in the late 300's.
an online retailer can sell an unlocked one for far cheaper because the phone was release MONTHS AGO UNLOCKED. so there is so many unlocked ones floating around they are able to be sold at $229. now when branded versions are released and moto is charging x amount of dollars and cingular is only ordering y amount because they dont know how this phone will do for them then they are charged z amount from moto. when moto creates more the bulk cost to cingular drops then the price for customer does too.
nobody is slandering anyone's complaints but there are legit reasons why prices are the way they are.
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Yes... I purchased a phone from EBay.... not a good idea! Trust me I work for a Cell phone company and it took me 3 hours to program it... Still to this day I can not send a picture from my pink V3… Also there is no warranty for the phones off of eBay, and the insurance that your company carries will not cover the phone.
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Hmm actually I think insurance will cover it as long as you are paying it. I bought a SE w810i off of ebay and it works fine. Don't blame ebay because moto has no way to send the MMS and GPRS settings OTA. Sony and Nokia are such better companies they have a link right on their site to send them. Booo MOTO!!
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no they wont. insurance will not cover my unlocked rokr and v557.
i did however get the settings.
i did however get the settings.
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Why that much? Simple Economics
Ebay= for one it's from a private dealer (or person) and ebay's is usually used, unlocked, from another country, or different carrier. when bought used it does not have warranty nore can you get insurance. That and you would have to buy a sim if you don't have the service.
Motorola= It's MANUFACTOR'S COST! you bought straight out of the factory, again it you cannot get insurace cause it's not a Cingular Phone, it won't have all of the cingular settings such as voice mail, network setting, media net setting, or even possibly have an MP3 player, but not iTunes.
Why so expensive retail price?= cause they have to charge a little over the equip cost (or manufactor's price) in order to make a profit out of ...
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Ebay= for one it's from a private dealer (or person) and ebay's is usually used, unlocked, from another country, or different carrier. when bought used it does not have warranty nore can you get insurance. That and you would have to buy a sim if you don't have the service.
Motorola= It's MANUFACTOR'S COST! you bought straight out of the factory, again it you cannot get insurace cause it's not a Cingular Phone, it won't have all of the cingular settings such as voice mail, network setting, media net setting, or even possibly have an MP3 player, but not iTunes.
Why so expensive retail price?= cause they have to charge a little over the equip cost (or manufactor's price) in order to make a profit out of ...
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It was bound to come out of someones mouth. 🤣 I just thought I'd speed up the process.
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I was gonna leave it on a "need to know" basis. Crap let that one out of the bag.
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my rep was like "what is so funny boss"
LMAO
I just told him he wouldn't understand... 😎
LMAO
I just told him he wouldn't understand... 😎
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