Sure no problem.

HSDPA is the 3rd or 4th generation wireless data technology that Cingular is currently deploying. It is called High Speed Download Packet Access which enables very fast speeds but on the downlink. HSUPA, I think that is qualified as 4th generation wireless data, will come out within 1-2 years (last time I checked- which was a while ago), and that stands for High Speed Uplink Packet Access, which enables the user to experience very fast upload speeds.

The both of them together with the right spectrum carrier efficiencies would private speeds up to 14.4mb/s on the downlink with future speeds to 28mb/s while the uploads 5.5 mb/s on the uplink. Basically providing faster speeds then the older technology of UMTS, EDGE, ...
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nice nice...would you need different handsets for that or could you use the current handsets??

Not 100% sure, but I think you would need a new handset; Companies, manufacturers, make devices that are only capable for that technology. Therefore, they force people to upgrade- that is a business strategy, quite frankly, a great one.

Very true..i can see understand that and that would be a very good strategy for T-Mobile at this point. I wonder when they are going to launch that. Maybe they will say when we have our annual meeting on what T-mobile's Big 5 Goals for 2005.

Yea, that is usually manufacturer’s strategy for that with both devices and data cards because they can seek more revenues from the newer products and the carriers can sell them for more money and offer more eservices to receive more revenue.

I think T-mobile is a very good player in this industry but they need to turn a few things around and fix some of their businesses. Their footprint of course is most important, newer products, and coming out with the 3/4g data products. I think they will be stronger than Verizon one day because HSDPA/HSUPA combo destroys REV A (on the EV-DO network) obviously, it depends by certain spectrum efficiencies and carriers and other things. Against AT&T will be hard because they will probably do the same t...
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nextel18 said:
Yea, that is usually manufacturer’s strategy for that with both devices and data cards because they can seek more revenues from the newer products and the carriers can sell them for more money and offer more eservices to receive more revenue.

Oh puhleez! Manufacturers can't manufacture what does not exist. When the Nokia 5190 was introduced at the end of the 90's there was no HSDPA never mind EDGE or GPRS. It's ridiculous to blame the manufacturers for what didn't even exist when they manufactured phones. Did you ever consider that manufacturers have to gear up for "special" requirements" for use with different spectrum? That's the reason why equipment that's meant for UMTS in Europe w...
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I am sure you are aware but manufacturers both on the devices side and on the data side do follow exactly what the cellular companies’ strategy is, so they know 100% of what is going on and when it will happen. They do it on purpose by coming out with different technologies at a certain period. Why didn’t Novatel and Sierra Wireless make REV A cards and HSDPA first instead of dealing with UMTS, REV O, and then finally going to HSDPA and REV A? it is because of a great business strategy from both the carrier’s sense and the manufacturer’s sense. It is only to make money, or else they would have come out with REV A and HSDPA cards first instead of doing REV O and UMTS. Please take a business course.

nextel18 said:
I am sure you are aware but manufacturers both on the devices side and on the data side do follow exactly what the cellular companies? strategy is, so they know 100% of what is going on and when it will happen. They do it on purpose by coming out with different technologies at a certain period. Why didn?t Novatel and Sierra Wireless make REV A cards and HSDPA first instead of dealing with UMTS, REV O, and then finally going to HSDPA and REV A? it is because of a great business strategy from both the carrier?s sense and the manufacturer?s sense. It is only to make money, or else they would have come out with REV A and HSDPA cards first instead of doing REV O and UMTS. Please take a business course.

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Thanks for not addressing the questions that I raised, which further proves my thesis that you don’t know anything about business and business strategies.

Instead of saying things you don’t know what you’re talking about perhaps it is best to listen to people who do? You will learn a lot that way.

nextel18 said:
Thanks for not addressing the questions that I raised, which further proves my thesis that you don’t know anything about business and business strategies.

Instead of saying things you don’t know what you’re talking about perhaps it is best to listen to people who do? You will learn a lot that way.

And you have too high an opinion of yourself and your "knowledge" of the business. AFAICS you're just a conspiricist since you have no proof and only are putting your own bias that these manufacturers collude in their own "evil" schemes to make people buy outdated products. Since you've never given any "history" of what your supposed "qualifications" are we can just assume that it's all unsu...
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This is absurd the way that you are attacking me and my knowledge about this industry, perhaps as I mentioned before you take a few business classes, attend annual shareholders’ meetings, and learn other information about this industry and business you would conclude that my evidence and reasoning is correct. If you are going to continue with your child-like behavior, you might as well find another person to deal with.

I have a high opinion on myself, because it is true with all the business ventures that I have done have worked out to perfection and I am seeing a very nice ROIC and revenue streams because of those ordeals. My education is also expanding with degrees in many areas so I try to learn as much as I can. Since I have been suc...
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One thing to keep in mind as to why they come out with Rev 0 then Rev A or UMTS then HSDPA is that the slower devices are generally somewhat less expensive to design and manufacture, giving them multiple tiers of products they can offer. Also, it takes a longtime to design and develop a piece of cellular equipment, once a standard like HSDPA is ratified the handset manufacturers have to take the time to understand how to incorporate that into their next devices, but they aren't going to stop woring on the UMTS device they have been working on for 8 months and delay it another 8 so it can have HSDPA... no one would ever come out with anything otherwise because we would always be putting off lunching things to get the next thing put in there t...
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If I am not mistaken don't have of these compaines have somethign to do with devolping and making the standered? I konw the cell phone compaies don't invnet this stuff on their own and then hand it to say Sanyo and Moto and say here make a phone. I think they can make a phone well before the technoligy is even working. Like years before! No in 1990 they had no idea of what is today and that was a stupid analigy.

Yes, that is 100% true. The companies involved such as the chipmakers like Qualcomm, Broadcom, and Texas Instruments discuss technology advances with Data card makers, phone manufactures, and cellular phone carriers, as well as component makers such as Anadigics and Skyworks. They all work together to deploy the next generation products and the chip makers, phone manufactures, data card makers, and component makers all follow the carriers’ technology plans.

Actually carriers do spend money on new technology with R&D and then they tell those other companies to make the devices.

Yes, but until a standard is set it may change... anything produced before that may or may not work with the standard once it's released; we are seeing this a lot with "pre-N wifi" right now, they don't all inter-operate well because companies are releasing things based on a non-finalized standard.
Also my point is that technology has to progress, they can just jump from AMPS to HSUPA in one week, it takes a long time to work out HOW to do it and it has to be done one step at a time.

Very good points.

Sometimes your theory is true but sometimes it is not, because the vendors would order parts for the newer products and some of the companies have a lot of pricing power with certain parts and price points. Frankly, changes from UMTS to HSDPA and EV-DO REV O and REV A with regarding devices and components are not too different from each other. All they have to do is put more frequency applications, software, more PAs, and other components. It is not that big of a deal, because the margins, the revenues and CAGR for this industry and devices are quite high. Therefore, companies should take the advantage of those ROIC benefits. The only reason why they do not is that they want to seek additional revenue. The manufacturers follow the carrier p...
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Dude, you're a moron and you've proven. Stop attacking the guy. He goes out of his way to provide useful information. He's given you very good examples so if you haven't figured it out by now, you're not going to until you go back to school. Companies in general know in advance by at least several years what they're planning on coming out with in the future to attract more customers. Think about the car industry as an example. For five years, you'll see every one of them make minor changes to a car and then they'll either totally redesign it for the next year or come out with something new, better, and in the same class. Take the Nissan Altima for example. Even you can see that. And if you don't think companies do things like this t...
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lancekalzas said:
Dude, you're a moron and you've proven. Stop attacking the guy. He goes out of his way to provide useful information. He's given you very good examples so if you haven't figured it out by now, you're not going to until you go back to school.

But you need to wait til you graduate from junior high school before you can make any pronouncements like that!

you are correct it was to make money but also think if they put that much technoligy into a card back then it would have cost 3x's as much which would have dropped sales alot now that the technology is there and being used its easier to sell the high priced cardss which are notthat high priced anymore because the parts are not state of the art anymore for them

I ment 2007..hahah

Derek0550 said:
nice nice...would you need different handsets for that or could you use the current handsets??

Yes, you would need a compatible handset just as you do now for EDGE.

T-Mobile will need a new phone in order to use this the spectrum auction was for the 1700mhz frequency which no phone currently uses so they will haft to make a phone capable of using this frequency for service

Yea I C, just like the line phones that were recently relesed for the Myfaves i guess,right?

man i feel dumb..i work for tmobile and dont even know what half of what nextel is saying..hahaha

very simular yes the phones for my favs were software updates this is adding a addition band like right now quad band phones are the main ones for international the 2 US frequencies and the 2 Eurpoean frequencies the new phones will have 5 bands 3 US and 2 European or just the 3 US bands thanks to the auction everything sold was on the 1700mhz frequencie. and ya nextell knows what he is talking about ive been on and off this forum for about 4 years now he has been here the entire time he is quite the charactor but his info is excelent. hope this helps answer your ?

Derek0550 said:
Sorry im dont know what HSDPA and HSUPA are. Can you elaborate please?? They didnt teach us that..im a prepaid rep so i guess they dont expect us to know that. I like learning about cellular technology tho.

I'm not trying to be flip, but lots of terms you don't understand you can either do a google search or use something like wikipedia to get basic knowledge of things you're not familiar with. Even doing a search of phonescoop forums you're likely to get an idea of what they are.

HSDPA and HSUPA are GSM standards for high speed data over wireless. For CDMA similar would be EVDO (which can also be found using the above methods.)

...or i can ask Nextel who is probaly the smartest person on these boards.

Derek0550 said:
...or i can ask Nextel who is probaly the smartest person on these boards.

And he'll tell you so too!

really? Thats why he told me what that means right?? And answered every question I asked. 🤨

I agree with you Derek0550 , I learn alot from nextel... as well,,, nexel.. contributes so much wealth of information to this forum and that is one of the reasons for my coming to this forum,, to get the right information straight from people who know from experience what they are talking about.

And you can pretty much ignore the little fuzz bear who has no idea what he's talking about.

lancekalzas said:
And you can pretty much ignore the little fuzz bear who has no idea what he's talking about.

Haha! And of course we can count on your expertise especially since you've said so yourself that you have determined that you are an expert. I hope your arms are long enough that you can pat yourself on the back. Do you have enough mirrors at home?

What exactly is your area of expertise??? oh yea I know, showing how to use the best possible sarcasam in every post. Great job pal!!

I never said I was an expert. I'm only saying that YOU are not. I know a decent amount about the cell phone industry but it doesn't compare to Nextel's knowledge just like your knowledge doesn't. I give credit where credit is due. The credit due Nextel is that he knows what he is talking about. The credit due you is that you say some pretty dumb although sarcastic stuff. That's ok though. We all have our moments and there's all kind of moments. It seems that the most common type of moment for you is that you're a moron.