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Three 'supercarriers' and T-Mobile... what's T-M's plan?

BetterThanJake

Dec 22, 2004, 12:15 PM
Verizon, 42 million customers, check. Cingular & ATTW merger, 46 million customers, check. Sprint and Nextel merger, 39 million customers, check.

And then there's T-Mobile, trying to compete with the above, with 16 million customers and a much smaller revenue stream.

I'm just wondering what T-M's strategy is going to be to compete with the above. The coverage that the three 'supercarriers' will be eventually able to bring to bear (and that Verizon already brings to bear) once the mergers are technologically complete is pretty frightening. What will T-Mobo do? Will they try to simply be the cheap urban-only alternative, or will they do a go-for-broke coverage expansion via mergers with any regional GSM carrier they can snap up plus big...
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bizkitsngravy

Dec 22, 2004, 12:50 PM
BetterThanJake said:
Verizon, 42 million customers, check. Cingular & ATTW merger, 46 million customers, check. Sprint and Nextel merger, 39 million customers, check.

And then there's T-Mobile, trying to compete with the above, with 16 million customers and a much smaller revenue stream.

I'm just wondering what T-M's strategy is going to be to compete with the above. The coverage that the three 'supercarriers' will be eventually able to bring to bear (and that Verizon already brings to bear) once the mergers are technologically complete is pretty frightening. What will T-Mobo do? Will they try to simply be the cheap urban-only alternative, or will they do a go-for-broke coverage expansion via mergers with any regio
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speck

Dec 22, 2004, 1:05 PM
Yeahp, we've all basically come to the same conclusion. 😎
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BetterThanJake

Dec 22, 2004, 1:09 PM
What was it? Do tell.
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speedywalk

Dec 23, 2004, 7:43 PM
Honestly, my opinion would be that for the time being, they need to take AllTel's approach. Just start to gobble up the divestitures that these mega-mergers create. It would at the least get them more spectrum and more customers at the same time. Then maybe look at purchasing some of the smaller carriers like AllTel or US Cellular. Just my two cents. 😕

Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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temp

Dec 24, 2004, 9:45 AM
lets not forget, verizon got the OK from vodaphone to make an offer on sprint, that makes verizon the LARGEST domestic wireless carrier.....that uses archaeic technology 😁
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speedywalk

Dec 24, 2004, 9:56 AM
ummm.....ok. All I can say is obviously you haven't used a 3G CDMA phone recently. They're not that bad at all...close enough to GSM to be a viable alternative, with the added benefit of not having a SIM card to lock the phone up. They're both parallel technologies, very comparable to each other. But CDMA appears to be ahead in the future for data services...so take it as you will.

Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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temp

Dec 24, 2004, 10:04 AM
speedywalk said:
ummm.....ok. All I can say is obviously you haven't used a 3G CDMA phone recently. They're not that bad at all...close enough to GSM to be a viable alternative, with the added benefit of not having a SIM card to lock the phone up. They're both parallel technologies, very comparable to each other. But CDMA appears to be ahead in the future for data services...so take it as you will.

Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"



all i can say is that the 3g phone is not a CDMA phone, it is a W-CDMA phone.....completely different technology, CDMA is FAR FAR FAR behind the times, W-CDMA is the wave of the future
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bizkitsngravy

Dec 24, 2004, 10:42 AM
W-CDMA is not so much network, but rather data

WCDMA (UMTS)

Wideband Code-Division Multiple-Access (W-CDMA) is one of the main technologies for the implementation of third-generation (3G) cellular systems. It is base on radio access technique proposed by ETSI Alpha group and the specifications was finalised 1999.

The implementation of W-CDMA will be a technical challenge because of it's complexity and versatility. The complexity of W-CDMA systems can be viewed from different angles: the complexity of each single algorithm, the complexity of the overall system and the computational complexity of a receiver. W-CDMA link-level simulations are over 10 times more compute-intensive than current second-generation simulations. In W-CDMA int...
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temp

Dec 24, 2004, 10:59 AM
bizkitsngravy said:
W-CDMA is not so much network, but rather data

WCDMA (UMTS)

Wideband Code-Division Multiple-Access (W-CDMA) is one of the main technologies for the implementation of third-generation (3G) cellular systems. It is base on radio access technique proposed by ETSI Alpha group and the specifications was finalised 1999.

The implementation of W-CDMA will be a technical challenge because of it's complexity and versatility. The complexity of W-CDMA systems can be viewed from different angles: the complexity of each single algorithm, the complexity of the overall system and the computational complexity of a receiver. W-CDMA link-level simulations are over 10 times more compute-intensive than current seco
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speck

Dec 24, 2004, 11:55 AM
I can't wait until DCS-String comes out... It will put both CDMA and GSM... It will finally put everyone in their place and there will never be a GSM vs CDMA war again... Because DCS-String will crush both...
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bizkitsngravy

Dec 24, 2004, 1:18 PM
I don't quite fully understand how Japan's network works. Even we need to provide rental phone for our customers' if they wish to travel there and take a phone. To my understanding, there is a larger spectrum, but it is higher, and they've created a very complex multi-mix network that works very well together. I'll learn more about it, but it's not on the top of my list at the moment lol

DCS-String: I wasnt quite sure what you were talking about, so I did some reserch, and after finding similar answers on several different sites I came up with "DCS-String" is a computer language which allows you to control remote terminals (I think??) It doesn't have anything to do with wireless phones.
Here is just the last site that I visited:
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speck

Dec 24, 2004, 2:04 PM
Dixies CupS & String 🤣 🤣 🤣 😎
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bizkitsngravy

Dec 24, 2004, 2:53 PM
😳
Nice.
ROFLMFAO 🤣
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BetterThanJake

Dec 29, 2004, 5:35 AM
LOL! Good one. 🤣

That seems to be a play on what a friend of mine calls SBC service, i.e. 'String Between Cans' (SBC).

Works for other carriers too:

VZW- Variety of Zealots Wireless
(Sprint or Metro) PCS- Pretty Crappy Service
ATTW- All-Time Train Wreck

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sunilsonia

Dec 29, 2004, 11:30 AM
DCS - Dead Cellular Service
AT&T - Always Tedious and Troublesome Worthless Sheyat
SBC - Suckered to Buy Cingular
VZW - Vehemently Zero Worth
Cingular - Calls Incoming Not Great Unless Low quality Apparatus Rendered


How about these for size folks? 😈 😁
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JessiCSR

Dec 29, 2004, 12:54 PM
Well, for starters, DCS isn't a carrier. 🤣
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sunilsonia

Dec 29, 2004, 1:35 PM
JessiCSR said:
Well, for starters, DCS isn't a carrier. 🤣


I know but the others are. 🤣
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sunilsonia

Dec 29, 2004, 1:39 PM
sunilsonia said:
JessiCSR said:
Well, for starters, DCS isn't a carrier. 🤣


I know but the others are. 🤣


GSM (particularly when coverage is not available)......Got Service? Man
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JessiCSR

Dec 29, 2004, 2:00 PM
Keep in mind, your precious T-mobile is GSM 😉
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sunilsonia

Dec 29, 2004, 2:11 PM
JessiCSR said:
Keep in mind, your precious T-mobile is GSM 😉



Hence, the joke!
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muchdrama

Dec 30, 2004, 12:23 PM


And then there's T-Mobile, trying to compete with the above, with 16 million customers and a much smaller revenue stream.
And there's Tmobile not paying 41 billion dollars for a cellular company that it basically has to put back together/merge/upgrade. It'll take at least another two years for Cingular to reap any benefits (and truly finish what it's set out to do). Tmobile, on the other hand, is lean, has an amazing corporate parent, and is adding customers at an excellent rate. I don't see Tmobile as being handicapped by the fact it has *only* 16 or so million customers.
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Aleq

Dec 30, 2004, 3:49 PM
Especially since two years ago we were expecting to be at 8 million but got 10 instead. How many of the "supercarriers" have doubled their customer base in the past two years, WITHOUT buying it outright?
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Starr06

Dec 30, 2004, 6:09 PM
Aleq said:
Especially since two years ago we were expecting to be at 8 million but got 10 instead. How many of the "supercarriers" have doubled their customer base in the past two years, WITHOUT buying it outright?


Preach it. T-Mobile isn't the "lil engine that could". We are the "lil engine that can and have done so".

How you like them apples?

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bizkitsngravy

Dec 31, 2004, 3:05 AM
well, we all got an e-mail today from Robert Dodson, addessed company wide. (For thouse of you who don't know he is the president of the company). Basically he said he was dissapointed that we could have done better, and pushed more out because we had great response. A lot of our programs were successful (for the year), but in terms of management, we could have rolled them out on a much larger scale, we were again "holding back to see what happens" (that's not verbatim, btw) I did see a number in there, though...54%. If I read the letter correctly, that was T-Mobile USA's financial contribution to T-Mo international over 2004. DT is very pleased. He didn't go into any details, but he said next year we're beefing it up, and getting ready to t...
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muchdrama

Dec 31, 2004, 12:15 PM
If I read the letter correctly, that was T-Mobile USA's financial contribution to T-Mo international over 2004. DT is very pleased.
Another reason that Deutsche is very much behind its US arm. Tmobile isn't going anywhere.
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terryjohnson16

Dec 31, 2004, 12:25 PM
😁 She said that the President said that 2005 is going to be a Strong year for T-Mobile. I hope better phones, and especially with EDGE, I hope its faster than Cingulars, and allow the Voice Coverage to increase by 50% so we can bump Cingular, Sprint and Nextel out of the Market.
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bizkitsngravy

Dec 31, 2004, 4:46 PM
terryjohnson16 said:
😁 She said that the President said that 2005 is going to be a Strong year for T-Mobile. I hope better phones, and especially with EDGE, I hope its faster than Cingulars, and allow the Voice Coverage to increase by 50% so we can bump Cingular, Sprint and Nextel out of the Market.


As much as I support T-Mobile, that would be horrible! First off, I think they will always be contenders, but there's no telling where this industry is going to evolve to. As far as "bumping" everyone out of the market, that would be catastrophic economically. You don't ever want to have one major super power for more reasons than one. Balance is a good thing 🙂

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terryjohnson16

Dec 31, 2004, 4:52 PM
😁 Yeah. True, then T-Mobile would make their plans sky high, since their would be no competition.
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muchdrama

Jan 1, 2005, 12:57 PM
terryjohnson16 said:
😁 She said that the President said that 2005 is going to be a Strong year for T-Mobile. I hope better phones, and especially with EDGE, I hope its faster than Cingulars, and allow the Voice Coverage to increase by 50% so we can bump Cingular, Sprint and Nextel out of the Market.

Uh, it's good to hope.
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mingkee

Jan 1, 2005, 6:12 PM
if I can have around 150k with class 8 EDGE device, I'll be satisfied
most of shoutcast stations runs 128k streaming mp3 format
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terryjohnson16

Jan 1, 2005, 11:10 PM
😁 U are really beastin for shoutcast!
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mingkee

Jan 1, 2005, 11:34 PM
If I just listening to radios in realaudio and wmp, GPRS is good enough to go (most of them are 20k)
but with EDGE and shoutcast, I can simply forget XM radio
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terryjohnson16

Jan 1, 2005, 11:53 PM
😁 So, now we only have to wait 4-5 more months until EDGE is deployed?
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mingkee

Jan 1, 2005, 11:57 PM
yes
and I don't even have to jump to Cingular for EDGE, because I checked the updated Data Connect brochure, that NY state don't have EDGE coverage yet 🙄
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terryjohnson16

Jan 2, 2005, 12:10 AM
😁 I took a look at the Cingular map yesterday, and it only shows GPRS in NYC! Does that mean that they are using T-Mobile's towers which doesn't have EDGE activated yet?
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