Well, I don't know if it will be the RAZR-berry or not, but I am including this link to the RAZR that T-Mo is planning to offer in the UK.

http://www.t-mobile-campaign.com/futurephones/ »

Myth: A razor-berry. This doesn't exist. RIM makes the Blackberry and Motorola makes the RAZOR. These are two seperate companies and this phones doesn't exist and won't exist. If you think I am wrong then post a picture to a link then.

Truth: T-Mobile WILL carry the Razor by the end of the Summer. Unless plans have changed it will be the SILVER RAZOR. I went to a Motorola meetng where they discussed the up and coming phones for T-Mobile for this yeas release, and the Razor, v330, v188 were all one of the phones discussed.

If this is a myth, then some of the higher-ups in my company (T-Mobile) must be pretty stupid, since they are the ones who tell me it's in the works. I personally haven't seen a picture yet either, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. As for the seperate companies thing, that's like saying that a phone could never have Windows Mobile OS unless Microsoft made it. That is obviously untrue. Blackberry software/OS has been proprietary to RIM so far, but that doesn't mean that it will always be.

you aren't comparing apples to apples.

You stated "that's like saying that a phone could never have Windows Mobile OS unless Microsoft made it".

Microsoft doesn't sell cell phones. They sell software for cell phones to manafactures like Motorola. This is why you see all the smartphones running Windows. Do you think for one secnd that if Microsoft made cell phones they would let one of their competetors use their flagship software? Not a chance in hell. They would be just giving away a profit share of the market.

RIM MAKES the Blackberry and the software.... Why would they team up with one of their biggest competitors when they have the market cornered on their secure software? That would be plain supid.

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I don't have any direct evidence at the moment to prove you wrong, so I'm going to do some checking on this. However, you should think about a couple of things. RIM is NEVER going to nab every potential customer looking for a handheld device. Some customers are always going to be looking for something else that they don't offer. Now, if they license their software to other companies, they can still get a piece of the action, even when they don't sell a device. Then their OS becomes more widely used, more third party software is developed for it, the demand for it becomes greater still, and all of this is good for their business. I would bet that the potential licensing revenue for them is just as attractive, if not more, than manufactu...
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First.. you state "RIM is NEVER going to nab every potential customer looking for a handheld device"...

Do you even know what the Blackberry software does? It's much more than push email. It's so secure that it's the only cellular/data device the US government will allow it's employees to use. This is why they will NEVER let anyone use their software. As I stated they have a monopoly on a software product that is so secure. NO ONE ELSE HAS THAT.... That's it's main selling feature not the push email... They gear their customers to this.... So they aren't tryig to appeal to the everday cell phone user.

I do agree with you that RIM may comeout with a form factor similiar to the Razor, but it WILL NEVER...repeat NEVER have the word RAZO...
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You are being a little arrogant, my friend, and this is exactly the sort of thing that detracts from discussion on this forum. I do know what I am talking about, as I have both the training and common sense to back it up. I admitted to you that I don't know for sure if the product we are talking about is for real. I was simply stating some theories until I check it out.
Regarding Blackberry, it is the BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) that is so secure, and that is what guarantees the safety of secret government or corporate email.
Secondly, the Motorola product is called RAZR, not razor, so I doubt very much if there would be trademark infringement in that situation. If you read my post, I also said that it could simply be a nickname...
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I suppose I should also follow-up and say that I understand the security offered by Blackberry devices goes beyond triple-DES encrypted email. Encryption of all data on the device is possible, and there is a memory lockout after ten incorrect password attempts. System administrators can also change or delete data and passwords remotely. My original point was that the secure push email servers were one of the most widely appealing features for the non-corporate customers (Blackberry Web Client), and this might be made available on other devices with some sort of licensing agreement.

I may seem arrogant, but it's just the attitude I get from when people post bull$hit rumors in a manner that a normal reader will intrupret as a real product. Wern't you the one IN THE BEGENNING WHEN SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT NEW TMOBILE PHONES who said, "The T-mobile higher ups tell me it's in the works"...refering to your so called Razrberry???? Then you say you are just theorizing about possible phones and senarios???? See this is exactly what I mean. YOU NEVER MENTIONED UNTIL NOW YOU WERE THEORIZING.... YOU WERE MISLEADING PEOPLE.

So don't talk to me about my arrogant attitude, try concentrating on posting factual data!

So were you just theorizing the coversation you had with the T-Mobile higher-ups or was that actual?????? (YOUR FIRST P...
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As far as I was concerned when I posted that in the first place, it was a real product. You are the first person I've heard saying that it was a rumor with no kernel of truth. The honest truth is that you could be right, it could be only a rumor. Or you could be dead wrong, and I intend to find out for sure. I was only theorizing other explanations about where the "rumor" came from if it turned out not to be entirely true.

By the way, if you are such a smart businessman, why on earth would you sell your business? If you really built it up that well in such a short period of time, it seems foolish and short-sighted to sell it off right away...

I never once sad how profitable it was =)

I simply stated that I stated the business from scratch and sold it for a quater of a million dollars 6 months later. It just happens to be a chain of indirect stores.

When it comes to selling a business the ultimate worth is calculated between the buyer's supply and seller's demand. I got out becaue I saw the wireless market in my city on a downhill slide with 3 major carriers adding service in our area. (US Cellular, AllTel, and Verizon). US Cell is offering 1500 daytime,unlm nights at 7pm, unlimted incoming, and unlm mob 2 mob for 20 bucks a month. So I decided to start up a new businesses and sell the wireless stores. That's what I do now. I also buy exsting underperforming Subway's and res...
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What market are you in (just curious)?

oklahoma city

My family owns previously established business, which I came on to and started up the wireless portion of, then opened a second store shortly after. They couldn't afford to pay me what I was worth, so I then went to work for the carrier directly because of the advancement opportunity. I have two bachelor's degrees, although neither of them are in business.

If you started the wireless portion and making an avarage of 300 per acivation how could they not afford you. Either you waned a $hit load for a salary, or they just wern't making the money. Which one was it?

Here in the real world, we don't even get paid $300 an activation, especially from tightwad companies like Verizon. Our goal was to profit $150 per phone after subsidy loss, including secondary lines and renewals. Then you have to pay the bills, salaries, commissions, etc. On top of that, the other portions of the business weren't doing so well, so the phone business was supporting the rest of it. Working there was more family duty than supporting myself well. I'm not quite clear where this is going, anyway... are you trying to discredit me still? I don't care how many Subways you buy, it doesn't make you any smarter or better informed than me. This whole exchange has certainly proven you wrong, and as for the intelligence thing I won...
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I do admit being wrong about blackberry licensing their software to other phone makers. This whole crap go started by you saying that you heard from the higer up's at Tmobile that it would be coming soon. I just discredited your informants. Yes I was wrong about BES software being on other phones, but I still think RIM would be better off financially if they were to not do what they are doing.

Secondly, I was nt discrediting you or yor familys business. I was just wondering why you weren't making the dough in the wireless industry. I can understand where you cam from and I an respect you stcking aroud to make things work with your family venture.

Sorry to jump on you but I get so sick and tired of people saying crap and starting rumo...
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justinwilliams said:
Sorry to jump on you but I get so sick and tired of people saying crap and starting rumors on this site.

Just out of curiosity, but have you ever seen J "saying crap and starting rumors" about anything in this forum...or any other forum? I sure haven't. J's always been an informed, intelligent, thoughtful poster who's never picked an argument with anybody. You should give him the benefit of the doubt in regards to anything he posts.

Not to start a fight and I don't think J was intentionally misleading anyone......BUT what do you call him saying that tmobile had the razrberry in the works without a single ounce of proof to back it up besides saying he heard it from a tmobile empolyee.......THAT IS CALLED A RUMOR.

justinwilliams said:
Not to start a fight and I don't think J was intentionally misleading anyone......BUT what do you call him saying that tmobile had the razrberry in the works without a single ounce of proof to back it up besides saying he heard it from a tmobile empolyee.......THAT IS CALLED A RUMOR.

Actually, he heard it from a higher up and repeated what he had heard. Nothing more, nothing less. Now, stop the swagger and start respecting a valued member of our forum before you start alienating others around you. He's a nice guy...start treating him as such.

He may be the nicest guy around here, but what he did was SPREAD A RUMOR that has no validity.

What you need to realize is I owned up to being wrong about BES licensing. But you need to come out of your denial and admit he started to spread this rumor here. I agree his intentions wern't harmful, and he may be the nicest guy here. But fact is fact... he was spreading a rumor. That's what this whole thing is about. All the people on here that think they have all this inside inforamtion and thrive on being the first to post it no matter how true it may be. This is one of the many reasons this forum is going to $hit.

Once again I'm not saying he did this purposely. I think he may be a good guy, but there are oms of members on here that st...
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justinwilliams said:
He may be the nicest guy around here, but what he did was SPREAD A RUMOR that has no validity.

What you need to realize is I owned up to being wrong about BES licensing. But you need to come out of your denial and admit he started to spread this rumor here. I agree his intentions wern't harmful, and he may be the nicest guy here. But fact is fact... he was spreading a rumor. That's what this whole thing is about. All the people on here that think they have all this inside inforamtion and thrive on being the first to post it no matter how true it may be. This is one of the many reasons this forum is going to $hit.

Once again I'm not saying he did this purposely. I think he may be a good guy, but

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Thanks, brother! 😁
What I have been trying to say in my defense is that I didn't know it might be just a rumor... like I said before, we all know that even if it is for real, it might never make it to market. However, before Justin responded so vehemently about the whole thing being a myth, I never even considered that it might be make-believe. He could be right about that; I'm going to try and verify one way or the other. If he is right, then I will be the first to post it here and let everyone know.

JDigital said:
Thanks, brother! 😁
What I have been trying to say in my defense is that I didn't know it might be just a rumor... like I said before, we all know that even if it is for real, it might never make it to market. However, before Justin responded so vehemently about the whole thing being a myth, I never even considered that it might be make-believe. He could be right about that; I'm going to try and verify one way or the other. If he is right, then I will be the first to post it here and let everyone know.

You're quite welcome. I wasn't too fond of his attitude. Obviously he has no idea of your integrity.

If I may interject...T-Mobile will be releasing the RAZRberry sometime in the 3rd quarter. Motorola DID purchase some of the rights to RIM. All of this, along with about 8 different phones, is expected to come out within this year as a part of an effort to launch the 850mhz frequency. Once 80% of the phones have the 850, the test markets will launch the new coverage (which everyone knows we are already in use of anyways!) :-)

Pink Lady said:
If I may interject...T-Mobile will be releasing the RAZRberry sometime in the 3rd quarter. Motorola DID purchase some of the rights to RIM. All of this, along with about 8 different phones, is expected to come out within this year as a part of an effort to launch the 850mhz frequency. Once 80% of the phones have the 850, the test markets will launch the new coverage (which everyone knows we are already in use of anyways!) :-)

I'm guessing he's going to come back at you with accusations of rumor mongering. But I, and I'm sure everyone else on the forum, appreciate the information. Thanks.

Yeah, and I confirmed with my manager that he HAD actually seen photos of the product. I was also reminded that when I was doing training we got to speak to a woman at the corporate headquarters who actually puts together the launch documents for new products when they arrive, and she mentioned it also.
Pink Lady... I'm wondering what you do for the company and where you are getting this from?
BTW... Justin Williams, where are you now buddy? It seems a little suspicious that a Motorola rep would have given you such terribly incorrect information.

JDigital: Here is some info about what you were talking about.

http://www.pdastreet.com/articles/2005/2/2005-2-17-M ... »

http://www.engadget.com/entry/5573682046967882 »

The information is comming from the confrence that was just out in California not too long ago. And as for what I do for the Company...wouldn't you like to know :-)

Come on... it's hard to trust info on this forum without knowing if the person giving it is legit or not. I'm not asking for your name or anything... 🙂

What do you do for T-Mobile? 🙂

I am a retail sales rep, or as I prefer to be called, a "wireless digital communications consultant." Or "speak-slinger".

I am also a sales rep. the information came from our district manager. 😁

JDigital said:
I am a retail sales rep, or as I prefer to be called, a "wireless digital communications consultant." Or "speak-slinger".

Huh. I preferred "Handset Stud" when I was slinging phones.

So in other words, you practiced Communications Husbandry? I hope you managed to remeber to thrust the phones into customers' HANDS, rather than other bodily receptacles.

JDigital said:
So in other words, you practiced Communications Husbandry? I hope you managed to remeber to thrust the phones into customers' HANDS, rather than other bodily receptacles.

Whoa! How'd you know I think thoughts like that every once in a while?

muchdrama said:

JDigital said:
So in other words, you practiced Communications Husbandry? I hope you managed to remeber to thrust the phones into customers' HANDS, rather than other bodily receptacles.

Whoa! How'd you know I think thoughts like that every once in a while?

Ummm, you post a lot? And are not exactly SHY about making your opinions known? Loudly, clearly, and with ZERO DISTORTION, SIR!? *snicker*

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

JDigital said:
So in other words, you practiced Communications Husbandry? I hope you managed to remeber to thrust the phones into customers' HANDS, rather than other bodily receptacles.

Whoa! How'd you know I think thoughts like that every once in a while?

Ummm, you post a lot? And are not exactly SHY about making your opinions known? Loudly, clearly, and with ZERO DISTORTION, SIR!? *snicker*

If I worked with you, there'd be trouble.

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

JDigital said:
So in other words, you practiced Communications Husbandry? I hope you managed to remeber to thrust the phones into customers' HANDS, rather than other bodily receptacles.

Whoa! How'd you know I think thoughts like that every once in a while?

Ummm, you post a lot? And are not exactly SHY about making your opinions known? Loudly, clearly, and with ZERO DISTORTION, SIR!? *snicker*

If I worked with you, there'd be trouble.

You're right there--good for you there's a continent in between us! 😉

FYI: http://www.blackberry.com/products/licensing/ builtin/index.shtml

I thought you might be particularly interested in the information about the Siemens phone with Blackberry software built-in. 🤣

it's called hype....

Just like all the other phones that never release...

And again that is a siemens phone.... hardly a competetor in the cell phone market. Every phone they sell with the exception of the sx66 has been a complete and utter failure.

It's not just Siemens phones. Here's the link to the RIM site explaining their new licensing program:

http://www.blackberry.com/products/licensing/index.s ... »

There's quite a few articles on their site about the different phones that they will be offering this feature on (in Europe though). This plays in perfectly with T-Mobile International's new marketing campaign of "office in your pocket" - providing business users with powerful new mobile devices. T-Mobile USA, on the other hand, is still lagging a little behind on its data (not evening offering EDGE yet), so personally I would be a little skeptical about us getting the same devices right away (I could be completely wrong though). Also, even though justinwilliams was wrong abo...
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To be honest, any upcoming phone is a rumor until it actually arrives in stores. I've been hearing "razorberry" from different sources for a while now, and it never even occurred to me that the product might not even exist. I'm not going to drop names or anything, but these are regional or even national level corporate people. I've never seen a picture though, so who knows? Whether or not it would ever see the light of day on our shelves if it does exist is another matter.

That's fair. Samsung is notorious for that sort of thing. Also, we were supposed to have the V330 right now (in our store, I mean) - still haven't found out about that one. So, yeah . . . until I have the handset in stock, I'll always be a little skeptical.

I don't typically go wild on here spreading gossip, as anybody who has been paying attention for the past two years should notice, but my supervisor just happened to be raving about how he couldn't wait for this thing to come out when I read the original post.
As for the V330, I'm getting antsy also. We actually had our live demo out, and we had to remove it and send IT back also. They keep discontinuing models at this point, and we barely have any mid-tier flip phones to offer. Almost everything is either free or $300 and up. I just heard that the Sharp TM-150 is at end-of-life also, and we won't be getting any replenishments.

My friend, you are already proven wrong. What difference does it make whether they license it to Siemens or Motorola, or anybody else for that matter. You really should quit while you're behind. 🙄

read my other post above...


I'll explain....

In my market Cingular had to sell AWS due to FCC regulation. Who did they sell it to? ALLTEL. Why Alltell? Well Verizon actually had a higher bid on it, but instead of selling it to a someone who you compete daily with to constantly be number 1, you sell it for nearly the same money to a carrier that isn't barely in half of the United States. You can sell your product to your competetors, just not the top ones. It would create to much competetion. Just face it Siemens is on the bottom of the food chain as far as any US carrier is concerned. Although Moto has had some software blunders with current phones they are still lightyears ahead of Siemens. Not to mention with Motorola "unique" camp...
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you go to this link:

http://www.blackberry.com/products/licensing/connect ... »

. . . you'll see that the Motorola Mpx and Mpx200 are two the devices slated to be licensed to use the Blackberry software. It may not make good business sense, but apparently they're planning on doing it.

elihuspeaks said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you go to this link:

http://www.blackberry.com/products/licensing/connect ... »

. . . you'll see that the Motorola Mpx and Mpx200 are two the devices slated to be licensed to use the Blackberry software. It may not make good business sense, but apparently they're planning on doing it.

Careful. You may be accused of rumor mongering.

I have used the D415 and the D500, and there is no comparison. D500 sales would go throught the roof if they launched it here. It is one of the neatest phones. The reason why the EXPENSIVE D415 did sell is ecuase it had no speakerphone and no bluetooth. Also lets not forget it couldn't even play an MP3 as a ringtone. The D500 can do all that, it has no external antenna, and is quite a bit smaller.

Just my .02

I totally agree with you on this - the D500 is one of the absolute best phones I've ever used. It has pretty much everything I could (reasonably) want from a cell phone. Bluetooth, megapixel camera, QVGA screen, MP3 player, 96mb of internal memory, syncs perfectly w/Outlook, additional speaker available for speakerphone and playing music, etc. Normally, I hate sliders - but this one is different. The size gives it a very different feel from the D415 (it's compact - but not too small). All in all, it would be an incredible phone for T-Mobile to add to their lineup (I'd take it over the Razr any day).

Now that would be nice-a samsung with bluetooth! You have any idea how many samsung phones are NOT sold just because of that? You're right, it would take off. Any other samsung phones that particularly stick out that are BT?

I think most of their new mid- and high- level phones will have bluetooth (or so I've been told). I haven't had a chance to use any of the other 'new' models, so I can't really recommend any off hand. We carry the D500 at our store - but it's pretty widely offered in Europe already (for free with new activation!). The market over their is soooo far beyond ours!

Samsung D-500 is available at:

http://www.exoticphone.com/index.php »


This is the first time I have seen the phone for under $400. Their price is $389.

I dont have any reliability opinions on this site, I have never used them. Just putting the info out there 😁

I just researched and realized that the D500, while having BT, does NOT have voice-dial capability! Seems like a waste to have the BT available and still have to get the phone out to dial a number. Like a lot of people, BT is great when driving but having to get the phone out to dial/select a number seems to be ridiculous. I hope that Samsung corrects this in the future, I realize that this is one of the first Samsungs to have BT. Hope they include voice-dial as well in the future.

What's missing with D500? I am sure there are some I have not figured out. So far, following is the list of something either I could not figure out or D500 is missing.

1. Network time sync function cannot be found on my D500C. Hence, I can't symchronize the time from T-Mobile.
2. Do not appear to download calendar from Outlook via Bluetooth.
3. Date format is fixed to "YYYY/MM/DD" or "DD/MM/YYYY". I can't seem to change it to "MM/DD/YYYY".

Does anyone know how to change or fix for the above? Thanks.