hypo ????.....with all the mergers going on...who would buy t-mobile or vice versa...opinions please
I hope nobody buys t-mobile, hopefully they can grow large and drive prices down.
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I had heard that Vodafone was interested in partnering with T-Mobile, but I think T-Mobile's official position right now (the one that they've stated in their press releases) is that they are not interested in any mergers currently. Their growth is very good, and they're setting up a series of roaming agreements on the 850 band to make up for their lack of spectrum in certain markets, so they're not in a position where they would feel any pressure to merge in order to remain competitive.
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but wouldn't it make sense to merge or partner with someone since there coverage is poor?
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ihateevry1 said:
but wouldn't it make sense to merge or partner with someone since there coverage is poor?
That's what the roaming agreements are for.
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yeah but they already had a roaming agreement with cingy and got dropped.....
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yeah but they already had a roaming agreement with cingy and got dropped.....
REALLY? When I pull up my coverage map and click on North Carolina, it pulls up Cingular as the roaming partner.
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let me restate what i meant by that most of the country t has no roaming agreement with cingy anymore this was told to all t mobile people except for the carolinas
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In the Northeast T-Mobile has more holes in their network than a piece of swiss cheese. I live in the Worcester, Mass area. Worcester is the second largest city in New England and there are many parts of the city that have no coverage. Drive north in Massachusetts and there is basically no coverage from Worcester up North and into New Hampshire. Fortunately I have coverage where I work, live, and where my wife works, however when we travel coverage is spotty at best in New England. I've yet to find any area in Massachusetts or New Hampshire that T-Mobile has an active roaming agreement with.
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T-Mobile still has a roaming agreement w/ Cing. As a matter of fact, Cing's coverage map shows everything as Cing coverage, but a large chunk, especially on the East coast, of their towers are T-Mobile towers. And T-Mo uses a lot of their towers on the West Coast. T Mo is owned by Deutche Telecom and they won't be selling anytime soon. TMo USA makes a large chunk of their money and is growing faster than any of their others.
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I guess you haven't heard the news then sd... There already was an article that they are thinking about selling because they really need to upgrade their system and it would cost them a lot. Did you not hear that? Maybe you should read the news sometime.
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so you think that vodaphone which owns 45 percent of verizon wireless will sell its stake in verizon wireless to get a less profitable tmobile? yea i dont think so. tmobile already has a good international presence they just need a good domestic presence. (ie here in usa) that will be tough to say who will buy out tmobile becuase in usa the fcc will not allow a cingular/att wireless/tmobile merger. i say its tough. it could perhaps by a cdma rural area company and maybe do a cdma/gsm phone or something like that. maybe alltel joining forces or some of companies like that.
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true...but ever since voda looked to by attws verizon wants them out....maybe t-mobile is there way into the states since attws was there last try
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just wanted to let you know, vodaphone never wanted att wireless. its just saying that att wireless is more profitable then verizon wireless which isnt true. vodaphone's deal was basically to make cingular to pay 41 billion dollars for att wireless. you think that vodaphone will sell its 45 percent stake in vzw for att wireless?
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lets think about what you said....not trying to start but do you really think voda wants to stay with verizon....and do you honestly think that they just said hey lets see how funny it would be to make the bid for attws go up..no...they want out of verizon because of all the internal problems in there company with the (major)share holders....verizon on the other hand wants nothing to do with gsm and voda looks them in the face every day
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exactly. they new that cingular NEEDED att wireless becuase of their assets and so vodaphone bid it up on purpose. voda didnt need att wireless and obviously wouldnt sell out of vzw for att wireless. that would be foolish.
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well ok...good point but don't you think if voda woud have one that attws may have been a better company with more money to help in lots of things....(may have been answered already been away for a couple of years)
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"good point but don't you think if voda woud have one that attws may have been a better company with more money to help in lots of things"
no. not at all. its about your business model and things like that. att wireless was actually losing clients for a long long time, especially after that big suit against them.
the thing is, if vodaphone would have bought att wireless they would have sold out verizon wireless. so the question is, why would they do that? someone gaining 1.5 million subs per quarter and a company losing 100-200k per quarter. doesnt make sense to me.
companies dont want to take that big of a chance.
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no. not at all. its about your business model and things like that. att wireless was actually losing clients for a long long time, especially after that big suit against them.
the thing is, if vodaphone would have bought att wireless they would have sold out verizon wireless. so the question is, why would they do that? someone gaining 1.5 million subs per quarter and a company losing 100-200k per quarter. doesnt make sense to me.
companies dont want to take that big of a chance.
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i said that if vodaphone wants to get out of the relationship of owning the top wireless carrier in the marketplace and to go to the lease in tmobile, is absurd and shoudlnt happen, however, if they do find a partner like nextel/sprint or something of that sort then it would be a good idea to sell out. the point was that it would be a bad idea to get out of vzw for att wireless or tmobile. thats my point and what i was saying. yea, thats what vodaphone did. why would vodaphone want a lacking att wireless when they can have the leader in verizon wireless? i dont care if voda is gsm and verizon is cdma. its about profitablity and leadership.
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I don't think anyone is going to buy T-Mobile.
Sprint and Nextel are merging
Verizon just bought MCI
Cingular bought AT&T
That doesn't leave any major compaies left to buy T-mobile, besides the only other major company that is GSM is Cingular, and they've gotta pay off $40+ billion from ATT&T.
Besides, T-Mobile is doing well by themselves.
Sprint and Nextel are merging
Verizon just bought MCI
Cingular bought AT&T
That doesn't leave any major compaies left to buy T-mobile, besides the only other major company that is GSM is Cingular, and they've gotta pay off $40+ billion from ATT&T.
Besides, T-Mobile is doing well by themselves.
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it doesnt matter if tmobile is doing well. they only have 16 million subscribers vs the others who have 40, 45 and 50 million. they need to do something quick or like i mentioned earlier develop a niche and stick with it and hope that it will do very well for you.
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First of all . . . its 17.3 million subscribers for T-Mobile USA and around 70 million for T-Mobile International, and that doesn't include all of the DT subscribers.
Take a look at T-mo's track record. They've doubled their subscriber base in something like the past three years. (And they didn't do it by buying out another company).
Here's the thing with T-mo: they may be a lot smaller than the three major US carriers (post-merger, of course), but they've shown solid growth since their inception. There's no way to know how all of these mergers will pan out. I've seen you posting in the Cingular forum about all of the problems that the merger is creating for them - if that's true then maybe merging with another major company woul...
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Take a look at T-mo's track record. They've doubled their subscriber base in something like the past three years. (And they didn't do it by buying out another company).
Here's the thing with T-mo: they may be a lot smaller than the three major US carriers (post-merger, of course), but they've shown solid growth since their inception. There's no way to know how all of these mergers will pan out. I've seen you posting in the Cingular forum about all of the problems that the merger is creating for them - if that's true then maybe merging with another major company woul...
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Elihuspeaks is right on the mark.
Everyone here keeps talking about T-Mobile as if it were just a U.S. cellular company. The fact of the matter is that T-Mobile is part of a huge conglomerate. And it happens to be the first profitable division. In fact, last year T-Mobile USA's profits were so good that DT decided to reinvest a lot of that money back into the company and into cellular. (The new wi-fi service for those of us that are corporate and saw the new Big 5 video)
Why would DT sell off any part of the only profitable division in their wireless profile? That would be a horrible decision.
As far as Cingular and T-Mobile go, the reason some of the roaming agreements ended is that Cingular is not allowed to have a majority of 850...
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Everyone here keeps talking about T-Mobile as if it were just a U.S. cellular company. The fact of the matter is that T-Mobile is part of a huge conglomerate. And it happens to be the first profitable division. In fact, last year T-Mobile USA's profits were so good that DT decided to reinvest a lot of that money back into the company and into cellular. (The new wi-fi service for those of us that are corporate and saw the new Big 5 video)
Why would DT sell off any part of the only profitable division in their wireless profile? That would be a horrible decision.
As far as Cingular and T-Mobile go, the reason some of the roaming agreements ended is that Cingular is not allowed to have a majority of 850...
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nextel18 said:Oh, brilliant economics from "Professor Nextel". You don't buy a company just because you can...any first year Business 101 student will tell you that. Or they might not, you being in "Techincal School" and all.
if you can buy out another company you do it. its that simple.
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muchdrama said:nextel18 said:Oh, brilliant economics from "Professor Nextel". You don't buy a company just because you can...any first year Business 101 student will tell you that. Or they might not, you being in "Techincal School" and all.
if you can buy out another company you do it. its that simple.
Does that mean that it's a Technical School, or that it's technically a school? 🤣
And yeah, buying something just because you can makes just as much sense for a company as it does for an individual. You only buy things if they're advantageous, or if they serve a purpose, if it will be an asset rather than a detriment. Mindless mergers for no good reason end up trashi...
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Aleq said:...muchdrama said:nextel18 said:Oh, brilliant economics from "Professor Nextel". You don't buy a company just because you can...any first year Business 101 student will tell you that. Or they might not, you being in "Techincal School" and all.
if you can buy out another company you do it. its that simple.
Does that mean that it's a Technical School, or that it's technically a school? 🤣
And yeah, buying something just because you can makes just as much sense for a company as it does for an individual. You only buy things if they're advantageous, or if they serve a purpose, if it will be an asset rather than a detriment. Mindless mergers f
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Gargoyle grooming? Is that like those ads you see on late night tv--"I always wanted a career in computers." That's always cracked me up, what--you want to be a virus?
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Aleq said:Don't you have to be a queen to be a dog groomer?
Gargoyle grooming? Is that like those ads you see on late night tv--"I always wanted a career in computers." That's always cracked me up, what--you want to be a virus?
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muchdrama said:Aleq said:Don't you have to be a queen to be a dog groomer?
Gargoyle grooming? Is that like those ads you see on late night tv--"I always wanted a career in computers." That's always cracked me up, what--you want to be a virus?
Huh, you better not have a limp wrist if you want to try to bathe MY dog! 125+ lbs of extremely strong, determined, bath hatin' dog... NOT fun! Definitely not for sissies... 😛
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Aleq said:My 9 pound Jack Russell "Scooby" would make your dog back down. She also loves water. Score!muchdrama said:Aleq said:Don't you have to be a queen to be a dog groomer?
Gargoyle grooming? Is that like those ads you see on late night tv--"I always wanted a career in computers." That's always cracked me up, what--you want to be a virus?
Huh, you better not have a limp wrist if you want to try to bathe MY dog! 125+ lbs of extremely strong, determined, bath hatin' dog... NOT fun! Definitely not for sissies... 😛
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muchdrama said:Aleq said:My 9 pound Jack Russell "Scooby" would make your dog back down. She also loves water. Score!muchdrama said:Aleq said:Don't you have to be a queen to be a dog groomer?
Gargoyle grooming? Is that like those ads you see on late night tv--"I always wanted a career in computers." That's always cracked me up, what--you want to be a virus?
Huh, you better not have a limp wrist if you want to try to bathe MY dog! 125+ lbs of extremely strong, determined, bath hatin' dog... NOT fun! Definitely not for sissies... 😛
My dog likes water just fine--on HER terms. Muddy puddle, scummy pond, mosq...
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lol try having 3...140lb great dane you have to back into a corner and spray down with a garden hose...and bassett hound that screams and howls bloody murder if a drop of water even comes near her (imagine what a deafning experience giving a bath is) and a cairn terrier that looses about 3/4 of his body weight in hair whenever he gets a bath...and you're cleaning it up for 2 days afterwards...
talk about high maintenance...my dane needs her bed and pillows fluffed before she'll go to sleep...the bassett is worse than a baby and goat combined...everything from q-tips to flip flops, to coins and bolts and sockets to cassette tapes...I swear she can make things levitate off of counter tops and teleport stuff out of drawers...I have no idea...
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talk about high maintenance...my dane needs her bed and pillows fluffed before she'll go to sleep...the bassett is worse than a baby and goat combined...everything from q-tips to flip flops, to coins and bolts and sockets to cassette tapes...I swear she can make things levitate off of counter tops and teleport stuff out of drawers...I have no idea...
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I work for Cingular and I agree T-mobile has done great job the last three years. the problem with T-mobile is T-mobile international is not going to invest the same kind of money SBC Bellsouth have invested in Cingular. T-mobile has gained customers by having the lowest ARPU. I think the only way T-mobile will be able to compete is by merger or by doing some kind of PTT deal with Cingular.
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I agree to an extent.....I've worked for cingular, and I currently work for T-Mobile...the 2 companys....you just can't compare them...totally different atmosphere and attitude, target(s), goals, aspirations.....I don't fore see a whole lot of shared services between us and other companies.
I believe we will remain competitive and still low cost....but with services and features that differentiate us from the huge corporations like cingular or vzw. We will still remain a nationwide carrier, as we hold enough liscenses, and reach about 94% us the U.S. population...I think our upcoming 850 roaming agreements will help out immensly, but believe it or not, a lot of them are not with cingular...rather smaller local carriers who primarily leas...
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I believe we will remain competitive and still low cost....but with services and features that differentiate us from the huge corporations like cingular or vzw. We will still remain a nationwide carrier, as we hold enough liscenses, and reach about 94% us the U.S. population...I think our upcoming 850 roaming agreements will help out immensly, but believe it or not, a lot of them are not with cingular...rather smaller local carriers who primarily leas...
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I agree with you T-mobile is not going anywhere anytime soon. I agree that most of the roaming agreemnts are not with Cingular. Cingular does not want to work with T-mobile right now they are focused on the merger not helping T-mobile get bigger. But at the end of this year it would be better timing network integration should be further along and Cingualr will be deploying new services that T-mobile will not be able to offer.
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With the current timeline, you're right we won't be able to. However, I don't really think it was our plan to begin with.
(not that this has everything to do with it, but certainly a part): Not everyone cares. There will always be people who do not wish to pay cingular's premium prices. There will always be people who want more minutes for less, who want a more personal experience with customer care, and customer care that's open 24 /7 (with the exception of our TERRIBLE new voice reconition system...I think we all hate it) There will be people who are more comfortable with one year contracts (I know cingular has that option but ours is standard) and an upgrade program that allows for more frequent discounts. I know people (me, for inst...
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(not that this has everything to do with it, but certainly a part): Not everyone cares. There will always be people who do not wish to pay cingular's premium prices. There will always be people who want more minutes for less, who want a more personal experience with customer care, and customer care that's open 24 /7 (with the exception of our TERRIBLE new voice reconition system...I think we all hate it) There will be people who are more comfortable with one year contracts (I know cingular has that option but ours is standard) and an upgrade program that allows for more frequent discounts. I know people (me, for inst...
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I agree with u I just think T-mobile needs to rethink it's strategy on data. Most consumers do not care about high speed data and will not pay cingular's rates. Just because u have a two year contract does not mean u have to wait two years for an upgrade. It depends on the customer and how much they spend most high end user are eligible every year. I think are new international rates are very competitive with T-nobile. The average user is not who Cingular is trying to traget with data services not u not me either it is those major corporations. the 100 lines or more accounts.
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Bingo! I don't go to McDonald's for breakfast, I have a locally owned and operated cafe I like. I don't go to Starbuck's, I have a locally owned and operated coffee house I've frequented for almost ten years and they have my drink waiting for me before I order it. I don't go to Home Depot when my local hardware store has the item I need. Why go to Olive Garden when there are so many good non-chain Italian places? Why would I get ribs at Tony Roma's when I can go to sleazy dive owned by Snoop Dogg's uncle, who's out minding the smoker fueled by a big pile of locally cut wood? Why would I go with VZW or Cingular when there's TMobile?
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Bingo! I don't go to McDonald's for breakfast, I have a locally owned and operated cafe I like. I don't go to Starbuck's, I have a locally owned and operated coffee house I've frequented for almost ten years and they have my drink waiting for me before I order it. I don't go to Home Depot when my local hardware store has the item I need. Why go to Olive Garden when there are so many good non-chain Italian places? Why would I get ribs at Tony Roma's when I can go to sleazy dive owned by Snoop Dogg's uncle, who's out minding the smoker fueled by a big pile of locally cut wood? Why would I go with VZW or Cingular when there's TMobile?
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T-Mobile's official stance right now is they are not merging with anyone.
Vodafone is one of Tmo's MAJOR competitors internationally, and the one major advantage we have over them is our U.S. footprint. 45% stake in vzw is not quite the same. If Tmo wre to sel out/buy out, which I highly doubt to begin with, vodafone I'm sure would love to grab it's hands on it, but the competition would be stiff. Orange, movistar, telcel etc...are all big international carriers who might get into a bid war.
Everyone also assumes as well that any 850 roaming agreement is only going to be with cingular. Thats hardly true. We probably have 30+ roaming agreements currently in the 850 band with many, many small local and regional carriers. There are also...
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Vodafone is one of Tmo's MAJOR competitors internationally, and the one major advantage we have over them is our U.S. footprint. 45% stake in vzw is not quite the same. If Tmo wre to sel out/buy out, which I highly doubt to begin with, vodafone I'm sure would love to grab it's hands on it, but the competition would be stiff. Orange, movistar, telcel etc...are all big international carriers who might get into a bid war.
Everyone also assumes as well that any 850 roaming agreement is only going to be with cingular. Thats hardly true. We probably have 30+ roaming agreements currently in the 850 band with many, many small local and regional carriers. There are also...
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I've got to let you know, I have been in the business for 10 years and actually just came on board to T-Mobile. That was one of the best posts I have ever read. Well written and written like a press statement. a lot of corporate values were referrenced. Great message.
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Just earlier tonight I read reviews on another site of all of the main carriers and how their reception is in my area code. Sprint stood out as having the most good reviews and T-Mobile seemed to have the most bad reviews... and some of them were quite agitated and vile in their anger at T-Mobile. I know that all reviews cannot be all valid and reliable since the reviewers are a self-selected group, but even so, it scared me away from T-Mobile, which is a shame because I prefer a GSM phone which will give me a second option for uploading photo files via BT to my iMac computer.
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As people have stated in other posts...Tmo USA is the really the ONLY growth area for DT. DT needs the revenue and growth and we are it for them.
Tmo USA also is busting out an extra 1 mil custs per quarter. 4 mil a year is good! That's about what Cingular and Verizon did last year. (I may be wrong, correct me if I am).
If there would be a merger with any of the now 3 remaining carriers (VZW/Cingular/SprintNextel) I can only see a merger with VZW. Now...a lot of you will laugh at me but just common sense...
You don't do 2 mergers in a small period of time because of the months and years it takes to get coordinated and on the same page.
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Tmo USA also is busting out an extra 1 mil custs per quarter. 4 mil a year is good! That's about what Cingular and Verizon did last year. (I may be wrong, correct me if I am).
If there would be a merger with any of the now 3 remaining carriers (VZW/Cingular/SprintNextel) I can only see a merger with VZW. Now...a lot of you will laugh at me but just common sense...
You don't do 2 mergers in a small period of time because of the months and years it takes to get coordinated and on the same page.
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Western wireless was just purchased by alltel and is cdma. better chance of dobson (cellular one) since it is gsm/tdma
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If Cingular buy T-Mo, do your selves a favour and run. Burn your phones and take to the hills.
And yes, I work for them
And yes, I work for them
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FlyDog said:
If Cingular buy T-Mo, do your selves a favour and run. Burn your phones and take to the hills.
And yes, I work for them
I wouldn't buy new running shoes just yet.
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Hey flydog.
That is a nice handle, by the way. Anyway, concerning your statement “If Cingular buys T-mo” that won’t happen. Why? Well because cingular/att wireless when they merged controlled 50 percent of many markets as well as over the spectrum cap. Now, it would be the same if cingular would buy out Tmobile because they would control 50 percent of some markets as well as being over the spectrum cap. The DOJ would force too many divestitures and because of that, it would be a waste of the merger. The FCC I believe will never allow it too. In addition, the other carriers wouldn’t allow it too and same goes with many customers. It wouldn’t pass regulatory approvals. Just like if verizon buys out Nextel/sprint or just sprint. It wouldn’...
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That is a nice handle, by the way. Anyway, concerning your statement “If Cingular buys T-mo” that won’t happen. Why? Well because cingular/att wireless when they merged controlled 50 percent of many markets as well as over the spectrum cap. Now, it would be the same if cingular would buy out Tmobile because they would control 50 percent of some markets as well as being over the spectrum cap. The DOJ would force too many divestitures and because of that, it would be a waste of the merger. The FCC I believe will never allow it too. In addition, the other carriers wouldn’t allow it too and same goes with many customers. It wouldn’t pass regulatory approvals. Just like if verizon buys out Nextel/sprint or just sprint. It wouldn’...
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I really don't give a rip who buys T-Mo so long as the new company will bring the Treo 650 with them. Why can't this company move up to better phones. Blackberrys are OK but they are certainly no Treo.
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