850 MHz..how big of an advantage cinular???
how big of an advantage does Cingular have over T-Mobile with being able to use both 850 and 1900 MHz ..What is the reason they use two freq???
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good ????? i think it gives them more areas to cover with the 2 freq (rural area...i could be wrong..... 😕
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It does help out, but it is not the end-all-be-all problem-solving solution everyone makes it out to be. The 850 MHz penetrates buildings better and also travels a little farther than the 1900 MHz. The reason they have the frequencies are because they bought them before 1900 was licenced for cell phone use. They are in the process of converting their TDMA towers to GSM towers. Also, I believe the FCC still requires companies with 850 MHz to support analog (at least for a couple more years - correct me if I'm wrong), which T-Mobile does not have to do since they are only 1900 MHz.
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No, you're quite right actually...but I'll elaborate a bit more:
When T-Mobile came to the U.S. in 2002, no spectrum/FCC liscences was/were available to GSM carriers in the 800/850 band. They were available however to existing cdma, and tdma carriers, which cingular/attws were both. However, 1900 was wide open, and voicestream was already established with that, so -Mobile just continued on with that. Now, when cingular/att converted to GSM, it was just convienent they were able to take their already established 850 tdma spectrum and just convert it to gsm. Now, there are 2 liscences in each market for each band with each type of network. cingular and attws had them in a lot of places. so, literally there was nowhere for T-Mobile to expand...
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When T-Mobile came to the U.S. in 2002, no spectrum/FCC liscences was/were available to GSM carriers in the 800/850 band. They were available however to existing cdma, and tdma carriers, which cingular/attws were both. However, 1900 was wide open, and voicestream was already established with that, so -Mobile just continued on with that. Now, when cingular/att converted to GSM, it was just convienent they were able to take their already established 850 tdma spectrum and just convert it to gsm. Now, there are 2 liscences in each market for each band with each type of network. cingular and attws had them in a lot of places. so, literally there was nowhere for T-Mobile to expand...
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we already have some "pockets" of 850, but they're not updated as available coverage on the map...I can't say for sure but I want to say in AK, and MO and some in CA...So far the word is we should have a good amount of roaming agreement with 850 by end of the year/beginning of next year...can't say anything for sure though...we already are rolling out with tri-band 850/1800/1900 phones and quad band phone...so we're gearing up and getting ready for it...
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thanks for the info.....think prices will stay the same i know certain markets are testing 2yr agreements.....
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the only 2 year agreement pilot we had that I know of was sent out mailers to about 45,000 customers for a free CF62T, and $39.99 with 700 minutes, unl nights and weekensd nationwide. I don't know how many took the deal, but they haven't said anything more officially at least about persuing 2 year contracts. I really can't speculate what pricing may become, but one of overall company values is to be affordable...and can't forget the slogan "get more" lol...so I don't think it would increase prices drastically if at all.
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Are there any phones that are 850/900/1900 since 900 is more widely used internationally than 1800?
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You would need a QUAD-band phone to have all the bands on a phone. There are no phone that has 850/900/1900Mhz with the 1800MHz included. This is what makes the phone Quad-band.
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I meant strictly 850/900/1900 (no 1800). I would prefer 900 rather than 1800.
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No, not gonna happen. WHy don't you just get a Quad-band phone that has it all? Is that simple.
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I haven't heard of a tri-band phone (yet) that has the bands of 850/900/1900. Are they out there...its possible...
I just haven't heard of one.
I just haven't heard of one.
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You are not going to find a phone with only 850/900/1900 on it. You have to get a Quad-band phone to have all them on it. Why don't you get a Quad-band phone to solve your problem? Its that simple.
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Cingular's Moto V-180 has 850/900/1900 on it. But that is the only phone I saw like that. Don't know if that would work on T-Mobile's network.
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You mean Cingular's V180 is Triband=(850/1800/1900).
Operates on 850/900/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS networks.
They are not going to put 850 and 900 together unless its Quad-band enabled.
Operates on 850/900/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS networks.
They are not going to put 850 and 900 together unless its Quad-band enabled.
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Sorry Terry, but that's not what was printed on the box they showed me. I could be wrong, but the phone was not listed as a quad-band. They did have phones that were 850/1800/1900, but the Moto V180 on the box and the little placard that was posted underneath the phone stated it was "850/900/1900". Maybe it's a typo on Cingular's part...but it was that way at 3 different stores I went to.
Chris
Chris
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Hey Terry...
I went directly to the Cingular site, and not only do they have it listed as 850/900/1900 for the V180, but the V220 too! Could this be just a "moto" thing? Here are the link:
http://onlinestore2.cingular.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s ... »
It says like you state: "operates on 850/900/1900 networks", but if it's a quad-band, like some of their phones are, why doesn't it say that it operates on the 1800 network too? Just curious!
I went directly to the Cingular site, and not only do they have it listed as 850/900/1900 for the V180, but the V220 too! Could this be just a "moto" thing? Here are the link:
http://onlinestore2.cingular.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s ... »
It says like you state: "operates on 850/900/1900 networks", but if it's a quad-band, like some of their phones are, why doesn't it say that it operates on the 1800 network too? Just curious!
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On phonescoop.com it says it depends on the carrier, some are quad-band, and some can come Tri-band or even dual-band.
I just went to the hellomoto.com website, and they say the same thing. I didn't know they put 850 and 900 together with out the phone being triband. SO maybe T-Mobile's version was 900/1800/1900MHz.
Sorry I was wrong. 🙄 🙂
I just went to the hellomoto.com website, and they say the same thing. I didn't know they put 850 and 900 together with out the phone being triband. SO maybe T-Mobile's version was 900/1800/1900MHz.
Sorry I was wrong. 🙄 🙂
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That's OK! 🙂 I always enjoy reading your post's anyhow...learned a lot from your valuable input on this forum.
Yeah, I found it kind of strange too that they would do that...but maybe their thinking is that 900 is more prevalent over in Europe than 1800 is...but then most of their other phones are 850/1800/1900 so go figure!
Chris
Yeah, I found it kind of strange too that they would do that...but maybe their thinking is that 900 is more prevalent over in Europe than 1800 is...but then most of their other phones are 850/1800/1900 so go figure!
Chris
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the major advantage of 850 is...EGSM, it uses double power (2000mW, compared with 1900, 1000mW), then if 1900 has 2000mW power, it has better obstacle penetration
and something is interesting is:
the TVs in NYC are using channel 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13
and found higher VHF band has better indoor reception than lower VHF band
850 (or 900) has better ability to go through obstacles
1900 (or 1800) can travel farther without ANY obstacles (we can see the satellite don't use that much power)
and something is interesting is:
the TVs in NYC are using channel 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13
and found higher VHF band has better indoor reception than lower VHF band
850 (or 900) has better ability to go through obstacles
1900 (or 1800) can travel farther without ANY obstacles (we can see the satellite don't use that much power)
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