That is correct. I have nothing against Tmobile USA. I think they are a good company, however, are lagging in many key areas, which could hinder their growth. I like to talk about all companies regardless if I like them or hate them. I was just stating my opinions and some facts to go along with it and just to add to that I don’t want to cause a riot in the room by saying these things. Just because that’s reality, doesn’t mean that I have it in for a carrier.

I think many cares for a 3g network with high-speed services. As I mentioned in many other posts, just look at the DATA arpu as well as verizon wireless' new ev-do and how much they signed up since they released. It’s quite good. Imagine when tmobile USA has umts/hsdpa, but unfortu...
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Again, I can't argue the facts about 3G and all, but if you talk to a large portion of the non-cellular educated, I believe T-Mo is a niche market. For people that don't care about UMTS or EDGE or mega-pixel cameras or video feeds, the rate plans make it a good choice. Most of the people I see and talk to about phones just need the plan old telephone. In industry all the numbers about technology really only show that if there is a new toy, people like to try it. It doesn't mean that the public is screaming for it. If they were, I believe that T-Mo would do something about it. As far as the money making side, well that is a bad indicator. But then again, T-Mo's market niche is like the K-Mart of cell phones, low dollar rate plans to he...
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Yea, your points make sense, but one.

"Most of the people I see and talk to about phones just need the plan old telephone. In industry all the numbers about technology really only show that if there is a new toy, people like to try it. It doesn't mean that the public is screaming for it. If they were, I believe that T-Mo would do something about it. "

Let me address why I think that point that you made doesn’t make sense. Just because the people you see doesn’t want data services, doesn’t mean that others wouldn’t. I gave a fact that if you take a look at the carrier's data arpu it keeps on rising every quarter, which tells us what? That people WANT data services. Why do you think the other carriers are doing high-speed data services?...
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Again, I will have to politely disagree with you. Yes, your numbers show that people are getting the new services, but again, my new toy comment still applies. If you talk to a larger portion of the population that are not cellular oriented, which I deal with a lot, they don't even know about all the high speed data transfer capabilities or would know how to use it. Basically, I will state it again. T-Mo is more of a niche market for the cellular challenged that just need a phone for voice communications.

Ok. Like you said before, this can/will just keep going back and forth so I will propose a comprise and it is; how about we will agree to disagree?

I agree with you amagorno.
nextel18, you have excellent points, and I see where you're coming from. :-) But I am the only person I know who is interested in cellular technology. My friends and family don't even know what GSM is let alone 3G, and I just learned about 3G this month. (I am an amateur, but I am learning!)

I have the moto V300, I don't care at all that it lacks bluetooth or that the menu is slow, what I do care about is reception, color graphics, the games, and the MP3 ringers. My phone is perfect for me. Plus my plan is perfect too. I am a budget conscious consumer and I only pay 29.99 a month for 300 whenever minutes and UNLIMITED weekends (which is awesome). I have looked into other carriers but the cheapest plan ...
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I'm also on the same page with yall. Most people I know just care about having two way conversations on their phones a few like to down load ring tones and send messages. Unfortunately for us tech savy ones we are just a minority.

ARPU is going up because companies are raising their prices. Verizon is raising text messaging prices for the second time in less than a year, Cingular raised all their data prices, and companies are trying to push more expensive plans, starting at $50+ whereas a year ago, the $40 plans were advertised more.

Really? Lol I didn’t know that. Well anyway, arpu is rising because more people are paying for more expensive plans that offer more functions then the other ones and the same thing with DATA ARPU.

If carriers are raising the prices, it is still up to the customers to actually PAY for it.

But if it's an oligopoly and there's not much choice, the consumer has limited options. With the consolidation of the wireless industry, I believe choices are being limited as competition decreases.

Yea, that could be true, but I think competition would increase especially with the new products that carriers will offer soon. Prices will be forced to go down as new plans, products, and services will come out.

Yeah, right. Sure. You have noticed that Verizon and Cingular have been matching prices pretty much right? With only 3 carriers it will get worse, not better.

That's what I think as well. Companies want to maximize their profits. Imagine there are only 2 wireless carriers. If one raises prices, the other one can raise prices as well (maybe by slightly less to try and attract more business). If there were 100 wireless carriers and 1 raised their prices, they would only lose business and quickly learn they must be competitive. More carriers = more competition = lower prices.

Yes that is true, but also note that there are several local carriers who have customers who never travel outside of thier areas, and the two largest carriers will still have to compete with that., though they notably still huge companies.

I will differ with your statement. Yes, it is true that the carriers will start to raise prices, but the consumers are paying for it. now, if the consumers don’t pay for it and a few of the carriers offer a lower price point with better functions then the higher price point, then people will flock to the lower price point instead of the higher.

Consumers judge what the price will be when they pay or do not pay for those services. The only reason why the carriers are raising it is because they can.

There will be more competition when more products and high speed services comes out which would probably force prices to go down.

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So, you're saying the companies building faster data networks will produce a higher supply than there is a demand for it, meaning that not that many people want high speed data.

I was hinting at all services. There is a huge demand for wireless high-speed data and for data products, as i have been mentioning thousands of times. DATA arpu has been rising, as well as the number of people who signed up with verizon's ev-do.

That meaning doesn’t coincide with what you said or what i said. i said as more services and products come out prices should start to come down and it has NOTHING to do with not many people wanting high speed data, because that is false as mentioned above.

can you perhaps do some research about data arpu and data services that are out now, as well as look into the subscribers that verizon has signed up onto their DO system. In addition, look at surveys that customers fill out regarding high-sp...
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nextel18 said:
I was hinting at all services. There is a huge demand for wireless high-speed data and for data products, as i have been mentioning thousands of times. DATA arpu has been rising, as well as the number of people who signed up with verizon's ev-do.

That meaning doesn’t coincide with what you said or what i said. i said as more services and products come out prices should start to come down and it has NOTHING to do with not many people wanting high speed data, because that is false as mentioned above.

can you perhaps do some research about data arpu and data services that are out now, as well as look into the subscribers that verizon has signed up onto their DO system. In addition, look at surveys that c

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Isn't that pretty similar to what I was trying to say, either they aren't aware or don't understand it.

amagorno said:
Isn't that pretty similar to what I was trying to say, either they aren't aware or don't understand it.

Except I was much more succinct. 😁

What can I say, I don't know how to summarize.. 😁

amagorno said:
What can I say, I don't know how to summarize.. 😁

Besides, I was pulling your chain.

Re: A T-Mobile USA deal value likely to lag peers
by nextel18 Thursday, 10:04 PM

Yea, that could be true, but I think competition would increase especially with the new products that carriers will offer soon. Prices will be forced to go down as new plans, products, and services will come out.

nextell18, I totally agree with you there!

Unless the top 3 merge, there will always be some competition. Also to point out that each of the top three are really different from each other. Verizon is all CDMA and analog, and Cingular is becoming all GSM. Sprint is CDMA and was made to be PCS from the beginning.

nextel18 said:


Let me address why I think that point that you made doesn’t make sense. Just because the people you see doesn’t want data services, doesn’t mean that others wouldn’t.

Actually, he made perfect sense: The vast majority of cellular users don't give a damn about anything other than texting and maybe sending a picture or two...the general public doesn't even know what EVDO/UMTS is. The "others" you're referring to are us...the people that do give a damn about these sort of things.

I think you and I agree here. Finally, someone else to point out that the vast majority of consumers don't care about all the new high speed this and high speed that. Give 'em a phone and text capability and maybe a camera. Hell my mother doesn't even have any of that with hers, she was jazzed over the flashlight feature. 😁

Cingular was far behind on three G but they found a way to catch up. T mobile will do the same thing. I'm not certain their will be a merger but I feel their will be changes. T mobile is trurly a unique carrier by it's marketing methods. It shows that T mobile has what it takes to stay a tier 1 service provider. (Im not an employee of T mobile I am a satisfied customer of T mobile)

Well, that is great as long as you are happy with the provider then kudos to you. Yes, well cingular is a different story because they have 3g spectrum, a good network and has the money to spend, however, tmobile use doesn’t. In addition, cingular merged with att wireless while tmobile USA cant even merge at all with any use carrier. In addition, it will cost at least 10 billion dollars to build a 3g network and to buy spectrum and that isn’t costing the increased in capex with regards to building out their network by adding towers and increasing their capacity. You are right, tmobile USA does have a niche, however, that will go away once the other carriers have a differentiated product and will start to steal market share from tmobile U...
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Problem now is more companies like Metro Pcs will pop up or expand like Metro pcs is doing. THat is going to kill the other companies. I am in Tampa and guess what Metro PCS is coming. Some customers will flock to Metro PCS because for 40 a month there is never any overage charges. NOw we all know the network will stink but some of the customers do not care they will go with whatever is cheapest or even who will approve them for a phone.

The numbers of marketable service functions available to 3g will probably not be that much different than what edge can provide for data services now. Who wants to watch TV on their cell phone? I think that T- Mobile has 3g deployed in Europe and will quickly adapt what works best for the American landscape once they secure added spectrum here. In the meantime watch for them to deploy web based phones which can link to hot spots and existing wireless voice and data making the exchange within the handset. This was their strategy as mentioned at the beginning of the year.
No one knows who is going to buy what or what the market will really demand in the future. Keep in mind in terms of buying clout that they have over 71 million customer base...
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It is about Tmobile USA though, not about their overseas assets.

Anyway, I have been showing how people are loving data and data services.

1. Verizon got very good attention from their do roll out
2. Look at the data arpus from the carriers they have been increasing YOY, which tells us what? PEOPLE WANT DATA SERVICES!
3. Surveys and things that I have looked at shows that data services are in demand.

nextel18 said:
1. Verizon got very good attention from their do roll out

Which hardly anyone has adopted yet...and won't for quite a while until folks learn what it is (and will they even want it then?).

I personally don't need to watch TV on my T-Mobile phone. I don't even watch TV period! I live in Chicago and T-Mobile has the best coverage here. I get FULL SIGNAL in doors and Verizon and Cingular customers can't even get 2 bars! Not to mention everywhere I go I see T-mobile stores! I have only seen ONE cingular and ONE verizon store. The second biggest carrier in Chicago is US Cellular, but they are a regional service provider. So in Chicago the top three service providers are not the top providers there! T-Mobile may not be as big as the top three, but I prefer T-Mobile over the top 3 any day!

I am a T-Mobile customer for life!

Besides I think the top 3 carriers all suck anyways. Their plans are over priced, thier phones a...
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T-Mobile gears itself more towards dnese population areas

OOPS! That supposed to be dense, not dnese. :-)

Again, it doesn’t matter if YOU don’t like data, however others do. As this market gets saturated data arpu will be extremely important in this marketplace and tmobile USA will lack in that, which could hurt them.

Yes, tmobile USA has a very good customer service base and does pretty well, however, I do not think that will last especially since there are 3 top carriers in the industry with many subscribers and the start of their 3g data roll out.

nextel18 said:
Again, it doesn’t matter if YOU don’t like data, however others do. As this market gets saturated data arpu will be extremely important in this marketplace and tmobile USA will lack in that, which could hurt them.

Yes, tmobile USA has a very good customer service base and does pretty well, however, I do not think that will last especially since there are 3 top carriers in the industry with many subscribers and the start of their 3g data roll out.

Don't you mean 2 top carriers? Verizon and Cingular, right? 'Cause other than that, there's just Nextel and Sprint. Two SEPARATE comapnies.

Most people I know don't even have a clue of what data services are available. What they want is a cell phone that is realiable.

The only time I use data is to download games, and so on, and I am satisfied with the way T-Mobile does that.

Interesting, however, pay attention to Data arpu and surveys that carriers have. It indicates that people want high speed and data services. Just look at the facts. 🙂

In addition, ask qualcomm because they have mentioned that customers worldwide want high-speed data too. I mean these are coming from pretty big companies who are in the industry as well as surveys that are reliable too and facts that are reliable too so I wouldn’t argue with them, but that is me, because you can do what you want. 🙂

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In addition, ask qualcomm because they have mentioned that customers worldwide want high-speed data too.

A company like Qualcomm announcing customers want high speed data? A company that actually produces the high speed networks that delivers the high speed data saying that customers want this capability? NO! LOL. Now why would Qualcomm mention that?

"pay attention to Data arpu and surveys that carriers have. It indicates that people want high speed and data services."

Or it indicates that people are getting ripped off.

Customers could also be adding other services to their phones that are not data related (roadside assistance, for example)

another stupid post.

That was intelligent.

ignored/blocked.

???

nextel18 is a birdbrain. He reminds of my friend who is so egotistical about the neighborhoods he lives in. nextel18 is egotistical about Nextel! And you know, I don't know of ANYONE who uses nextel!

My friend, I talk about every carrier in this industry not just Nextel/sprint. Instead of bashing people, perhaps you can contribute to this board by giving sound statements instead of posting stupid posts that are pathetic. At least try, like I do, and if you are wrong, but with sound opinions then no one can take anything from you.

I'm not your friend.

lol.

Wow. I understand that forums inspire disagreement, but dang. Ok, I would say that you three will never be friends, so let's be civil about it and just leave it at that. I will admit that I rarely if ever agree with anything nextel18 says, but maybe name calling isn't going to be productive here. As far as opinions go, that is what this forum is about. Give facts and then opinions on those facts. In case of some statistics I have seen presented on phone scoop, they can be questionable and very biased based on the organization collecting those facts, which is why many times I will disregard them as a way to sell a company, rather than consider them true to the discussion. But I won't belittle the person that presented it. Let's try an...
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You've made an excellent point, and I agree with you. 🙂 🙂 🙂

I will take everything you say under consideration, but like me just say one thing, If I “bash” a carry I don’t do it on purpose and what I do is I like to analyze them and to talk about them, however, if it does sound like I am “bashing” them because most of the things are negative please don’t see it that way.

nextel18 said:
another stupid post.

"i am the phone guru. i dont like immature people who insult others, defame others and slander others. " - nextel18's profile.

You don't like people who insult others, what are you doing?

🤣 great response!!!

I agree I left T-Mobile becuase of a lack of good data plans. Plus T-Mobile phones arent all that good, their flagship phone is nuthin buy junk, I went with Cingular and I love my new S.E. S710, now theres a phone to respect. Oh, by the way T-Mobile Customer Service has been slippin, its only a matter of time until they slip, and realize its to late.

thanks for agreeing with me and yes, i agree with your statments too. 🙂

Awwww, isn't that sweet

yep it is very sweet. anyway this is the last post to you... i wish you the best and goodnight. 🙂 i dont talk to people with no common sense or no reasoning to their opinions and who bashes others with sound reasoning with factual data. see ya. dont bother replying by the way becuase i wont read it.

then why do you talk to yourself, nextel boy?!

Talk to myself? Lol what a waste of a post.

Hey no problem, it takes a few to say the truth, it takes the rest to scream,"Hey you can say that"!

🙂

Speaking of which, it will only be a matter of time until Cingular bills you incorrectly and you try to get it corrected, but they refuse to even argue with you about it.

It is only a matter of time until you hit a dead spot with your service, and you call in and complain and they tell you tough luck. At least T-Mobile gives you compensation. I have recieved the following compensations from T-Mobile because I either had no service in an area, or I used too many minutes/ messages, or when I signed on for t-zones, it didn't work for the first week (this only happened to me once):

-bonus 30 text messages
-one month of free service
-bonus 60 whenever minutes
-first month of t-zones free
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Got to love T-Mo customer service. Even with all the new tech stuff out there that a some people think T_Mo needs to keep going, the customer services shows that you don't need all of that to keep people happy. And again, with T-Mo, people just need a phone and good customer service. 😁

you said it best!!!! 😁

Thanks 😁

nextel18 said:
That means nothing to me, though. Everyone knows Tmobile is deep trouble. Even on mad money, yesterday, Jim cramer and Tim donahue said that they are in deep trouble. They have no options in the USA market. I mean they need to upgrade to a 3g network and they need to pay for 3g spectrum. (Since they don’t have any they can do 3g network) their network isn’t that good and plus they only have 18 million customers vs. a minimum of 43+ million customers by the top 3 carriers.

Tmobile USA has a huge problem, and if someone buys them, I believe they will be out of their minds and I don’t think they will get an ROI on their investment in them.

Blah, blah, blah. I am an animatronic regurgitator ...
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You read my mind. I have been trying to be understanding here, but apparently that isn't going to work. Two sides of the story and strong facts supporting T-Mo have been presented and than dismissed as if the "my facts are better than your facts" argument was inplace. It's not. And unless someone on here is T-Mo corpoate VP or has an MBA, then I think we can just go with T-Mo focuses on something different than VZW, Cingular, and Sprint/NEXTEL. In the end, it is always pick your own poison for cell phone service. And unless you travel a lot, nationwide coverage really doesn't matter.

amagorno said:
You read my mind. I have been trying to be understanding here, but apparently that isn't going to work. Two sides of the story and strong facts supporting T-Mo have been presented and than dismissed as if the "my facts are better than your facts" argument was inplace. It's not. And unless someone on here is T-Mo corpoate VP or has an MBA, then I think we can just go with T-Mo focuses on something different than VZW, Cingular, and Sprint/NEXTEL. In the end, it is always pick your own poison for cell phone service. And unless you travel a lot, nationwide coverage really doesn't matter.

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I've heard that, but I was hoping it wasn't true. His discussion started out reasonable enough. Oh well. Who knows maybe someday all the evil cell phone empires will be one under Alexander the Great.

It was actually a mutual decision to merge. Nextel didn’t want to have to pay a hefty price, but Nextel has the best metrics, best management, a very good network and a lot of spectrum especially in the 2.5 GHz range.

Anyway, the merger will benefits both companies, but more importantly the consumers because it will offer more services and products that will rival or outperform the industry.

Nextel could have paid to upgrade to flarion or rev a, but they didn’t because this way it’s easier.

Compare their assets vs. the other carriers you will see that it will dominate the industry.

Good luck.

nextel18 said:
It was actually a mutual decision to merge. Nextel didn’t want to have to pay a hefty price, but Nextel has the best metrics, best management, a very good network and a lot of spectrum especially in the 2.5 GHz range.

Anyway, the merger will benefits both companies, but more importantly the consumers because it will offer more services and products that will rival or outperform the industry.

Nextel could have paid to upgrade to flarion or rev a, but they didn’t because this way it’s easier.

Compare their assets vs. the other carriers you will see that it will dominate the industry.

Good luck.

Actually, Nextel decided it was best to merge because iDen is a dead end technology. ...
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Hey wait it was developed my motorola? I rest my case. 😲

Nextel18 Does NOT ONLY support Nextel and the pending merger with Sprint. HE supports any carrier that is not T-Mobile becuase at least they are always upgrading their network.

T-Mobile is putting up 3,000 new towers this quarter. They aren't just sitting back and doing nothing.

"In the end, it is always pick your own poison for cell phone service. And unless you travel a lot, nationwide coverage really doesn't matter."

Exactly!

Having 18 Million CUstomers is a big deal when the other two big players have 40+ Million and the big player has 50+ Million customers. 3G is the way, and most of us already know very soon 3G will replaced, and thats when T-Mobile will finally wake up and realize, "Oh We gotta upgrade our network before we get bumped to 5th"

Cingular was ounce behind on their 3G deployment wow look at them now. I say T mobile will catch up just give them time. I would like to see T Mobile buy up a regional carrier then they would gain spectrum.

yes, but most regional carriers are CDMA networks, not GSM. T-Mobile is all GSM 1900.

How about western wireless

Western Wireless Corporation was formed in 1994 through the merger of Pacific Northwest Cellular and General Cellular Corporation. The company offers service in 19 western states under the Cellular One(R) brand name, and under the Western Wireless(R) brand in Amarillo, Texas. The company currently offers service for most new customers using CDMA 1xRTT technology, while maintaining TDMA and analog (AMPS) service for existing customers and roaming partners, as well as building out new GSM coverage for roaming partners. Western Wireless Corporation also licenses the Cellular One brand name to wireless service providers in 16 additional states and the Caribbean.

Source: Phonescoop.com

Im sure T mobile could find someone to buy out. unfortunately thier is not as many GSM networks here in the states as their is CDMA networks.

Western Wireless is a Cdma carrier that was just bought out by Alltel and actually was finalized by the SEC and FCC just last week. So if you were reffering them to be bought by T-Mobile they would have to buy Alltel which has been rumored as a suitor for T-Mobile even though that merger could be very synergistic for both carriers so maybe not a bad idea.

Cingular is number 1 in this industry, while tmobile USA is a far number 4. Tmobile USA won’t catch up because they are about 20 million+ from the next competitor, who is growing faster then tmobile USA. Who would you think they would buy and why?

nextel18 said:
Thanks for the name calling which shows your immaturity. An article was posted, and did not mean I was stupid I wanted to put an article out there and to talk about it in a civil but factual manner; however, you have over done it. The point of the article was to state what they have to do to try to be a better competitor in this marketplace and to be frank, it will be extremely difficult to do so with the necessities that they are lacking. They can be number 1 in a few areas and number 1 in those JD power awards, which means nothing by the way, but if they are lacking in many areas and they are, they won’t continue to be number 1. That is all I am saying. Enough with the name-calling and please have a

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Much drama knows nothing to be frank. we had a discussion where no one likes flarion, yet qualcomm buys them out. therefore, who cares what he says.