most maps arent accurate.. that is why they have disclamers and disclosures..

Most agree that T-Mo's map is pretty accurate.

Best service I have used.

I agree with you. Tell nextel18. He doesn't believe it. 🙂

i never said i disagree with any of you with regards to the maps, i am just saying in general those coverage maps are inaccurate becuase they have disclosures and disclamers.. i am not saying that tmobile isnt good, becuase i would state on the contrary especially with the great subscriber growth they have been getting..
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You're correct, you didn't specifically say it. You implied it. Or at least many people that would read your post on accuracy of maps would think you are implying it. It's all in how you say it. Sometimes you say things meaning well, but it looks negative. That's all. 🙂

thats true.. 🙂 thanks for the clarification..

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Ok, back on topic. I think we all see T-Mobile as a good company and up an coming competitor in the market, but still a very small national carrier versus the big three that are out right now. The big three being Verizon, Cingular, and Sprint. T-Mobile has good service in general (not refering to their coverage for all those that will get mad at me on that statement), but for now is no real threat to the big three. But given time, they might be. 🙂

yea..

not sure if they will do anything towards verizon or sprint, but cingular perhaps...

as you have noticed, cingular hasnt been doing quite bad from the quarter 4 of 2004 till quarter 3 of 2005. their subscriber growth has been declining..

as for tmobile, their subscriber growth has been improving and increasing from 1st quarter of 2005 till the 3rd quarter.. i know it is a long shot but the way that cingular keeps on going, or lack of, and tmobile continues to do well, tmobile can give cingular a run for its money.. especially when tmobile didnt spend $41 billion dollars on att wireless. tmobile can go after some spectrum for their 3g roll out and could be a nice force in the next 5-10 years.. tmobile needs to focus more on im...
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Agreed. It will be about 10 years, but they may give Cingular a run for their money, as long as they improve overall coverage in the time span.

it will be interesting when tmobile and cingular will have 3g launched.. (tmobile has to buy 3g spectrum first) to see how they will fair..


10 years? perhaps..


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food for thought..
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Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 reported
total going into quarter 4= 3.5 million
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Tmobile=

1st qt= 957k
2nd qt= 972k
3rd qt= 1.06 million
total going into 4th quarter= 2.811 million
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Hey man, you said ten years first. Acutally you said 5 to 10 years. I am stil thinking that 10 years is optimistic. I would venture more towards 20, but optimism was never my strong point. 🙂

20 years? no thats too far out.. i think 5-10 years is a good time table..

remember first tmobile needs to concentrate on coverage. next, they need to focus on purchasing 3g spectrum during the auction next year. then 3 they need to roll it out..

it depends, becuase after the 3g network and improvement in coverage i would think that cingular would be facing difficulty from tmobile especially since tmobile didnt spend $41 billion on att wireless. (which is a horrible purchase) yes, tmobile will be spending to get 3g spectrum but not the $41 billion.

Ok, I give up. I am trying to agree with you on the time and you keep changing your opinion on the time. With the numbers game as you pointed it out, 5 years would be impossible, since T-Mobile has actually lost ground on Cingular over the last three quarters. That's part of the reason I am thinking 10 years or longer. T-Mobile will need to improve coverge, we have agreed on that, and roll out 3g service, we agree on that. But based on the numbers you post frequently, how do you get 5 to 10 years. Especially if T-Mobile actually lost ground by about 1 Million in the first three quarters. I think if they start gaining ground now, it will be between 10 to 20 years to make up that deficit. I am not under any illusion that T-Mobile is a ...
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i keep on saying that 5-10 years is a good time table.. you said 20.. who is the one changing time tables? not me. i have always stayed within 5-10 year period..

well, there is a deficit, but the way that cingular is slipping there wouldnt be a deficit anymore. we will really need to see for the 4th quarter numbers to decide anymore and for the future.

it depends on how fast tmobile can fix their coverage, get 3g spectrum and roll out 3g network.. the way that they are going and cingular is retreating then tmobile could to well but behind 30 million is quite a big deal.. it will be difficult but again it depends on many factors..

i am just saying within a 5-10 year period tmobile could do well.. (that period starts after they get...
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I was talking about gain to being level in numbers of customers with Cingular. I said 10 years to agree with you. I said 20 was more like what I was thinking, I didn't change just said that would be more of what I would expect. And I only said that because you questioned the 10 years.

nextel18 said "10 years? perhaps.."

So maybe I am just misunderstanding you, wouldn't be the first time. But it looked like you didn't agree with your first assessment of 5 to 10 years.

yea, you misunderstood me..

we will have to wait and see. many factors that are catalysts for tmobile right now and many non catalysts for cingular...

time will tell..

any expectations for the 4th quarter in subscriber growth for tmobile?

Nope, like I said for the third quarter, I missed the quess based on consumer confidence in general. I believe my words were, "I screwed the pooch." So, economically speaking, I guess they should do better in the 4th quarter than in the 3rd (holiday season don't you know), but I refuse to guess in general based on my poor guessing performance on the 3rd Quarter. I reckon I will stick to engineering, it's much easier than quarterly speculation.

well, you cant make an educated guess? the problems at cingular could perhaps carry over.. get last year during the 4th quarter numbers and take a guess. i wont laugh at you or what not if your wrong.. just want to see your opinion.

Ok, looking at the numbers. T-Mobile seems on their average pace, up by about 100k. And Cingular is on what appears to be a downward spiral. If they release the V3i in late November or early December, they could still salvage the quarter, but I would predict another sinking quarter for Cingular, they have been on the decline all year and even since laster year. There numbers compare to last year are low. Which means that they have actually had less growth than the previous year. So, I am guess T-Mobile will grow with new customers up another 1.1 to 1.2 million new gains, while cingular could be looking at a 600k to 800k new customer quarter if the numbers maintain course as compared to last year. But we already know how bad my guessin...
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well, thank you for your educated opinions.. 🙂

hey, at least you try though.. 🙂

i also will agree with your metrics for the 4th quarter for both cingular and for tmobile usa.. (they probably will change when my sources will do some channel checks)

(pretty interesting situation... "In the third quarter of 2004, T-Mobile USA added 901,000 net new customers, and 670,000 in the third quarter of 2003." pretty good growth.. )

Yes, I noticed those numbers, but I was mostly comparing the overall 04 querters to the overall 05 numbers. The 03 to 04 numbers are really skewed with the ATT/Cingular connection, so it was real hard to get true numbers from there for comparo. 🙂

yea, very true.. if i recall, someone on here stated that att wireless actually lost subscribers so perhaps cingular in quarter 4 of 2004 got all of the 1.8 million? who knows..

I'm thinking t-mobile will have yet another great customer growth but not as big as the 3rd quarter, im saying 900,000, as for there churn, i have no idea on that one, lol. cingular im going to say 700,000 growth.

interesting.. food for thought; 3rd quarter of 2004 they got 901k and 3rd quarter of 2003 they got 670k. you still think tmobile can only get 900k for the 4th quarter?

(pretty good growth from 2003 to 2004.)

(remember i wont laugh at you if your wrong.. lol..)

yea, i would think so.. especially since they been doing quite well with subscriber growth per quarter.

nextel18 said:
most maps arent accurate.. that is why they have disclamers and disclosures..

You're right, I've heard that T-Mo maps aren't accurate...but unlike their competitors, the complaints are that people DO have coverage in places where T-Mo shows NONE. It's the whole, "under promise, over deliver" philosophy.