I can't provide any more information. However, some of the info has been leaked on the net.

hmmmmm is that where you found this out?

can you give me a site or something to type into yahoo?

one place to see the new phones is at ideninsiders.com please you the search for falcon series phones. The people that post at iden don't like to be bothered with newbies. They do however have a posting with the entire line on falcon phones thru the up to the i930 smartphone rumored to be out in November of 04. The i860, and i930 will both have a camera, and a external screen that can display the callers picture.

However, you would figure that since Moto owns 20% of Nextel, and Nextel ONLY uses Moto's phones, that they would be ahead of the curve, not so far below it. Not that any of it will matter unless Nextel expands their network soon. They can't hope to keep piling on customers without rolling out more spectrum, without SOMETHING falling apart.

Motorola quality really does still mean something. Here's the challenge: Stand up, hold your arm out straight in front of you, and drop your phone. With almost any Motorola product, the worst you have is a bent antenna, or the battery door flies off. 99/100 times the phone will power up and work fine.

Now do this with a Nokia, Samsung or LG. Probably still will have a survival rate of 50%+, but nowhere near the structural integrity of Motorola. And you won't feel confident when you do it.

Nextel sticks with Motorola not only because of the business relationship, but because it's just better stuff.

BTW, Motorola has been offering Nextel a camera-phone for a few years, but Nextel hasn't wanted it.

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Okay, that makes sense from NEXTEL'S side, but what does the customer care about churn, debt or anything else you mentioned? They want to be able to complete calls and get a phone they like, whatever that may be. Nextel has the smallest, slowest growing network of the National players, and are grossly overpriced compared to the others. This goes a long way to explaining why their customer base is so small. While Motorola's phones may be durable, they are far from the best out there. Constant problems with firmware, high repair ratios, and nowhere near the customer loyalty their brand used to command. Samsung currently holds the highest customer loyalty of any vendor. I'm not saying that Nextel doesn't have its good points,but with the extra ...
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You miss the point.

Lowest churn means that customers ARE satisfied with Nextel since they are not leaving to go elsewhere.

Low bad debt means that people are willing to pay for what they get, therefore they must perceive it as being valuable.

I agree the higher CPGA means much more to the carrier than to the customer, but it's indicative of the mantra "you get what you pay for". People are only willing to spend more if they feel they are getting more, and since Nextel has BY FAR the lowest churn, people must perceive it as worth the dollars.

As for them being "grossly overpriced", take an economics class. Companies will charge what the market will bear. When customers leave or stop signing up, Nextel will probably address i...
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Actually, there IS a challenger to the PTT arena, in test markets right now... experiencing latency less than 1 second...very comparable to Nextel... GSM carrier... leave it to you to figure out who 🙂

Followed a hunch and checked the other carrier's forums and, wow, look what I found.

There you are on the Cingular forum, making posts admitting you are a Cingular dealer. 😳

So, why not divulge that when you're in here slamming Nextel??

Hilarious 🤣 🤣

Hmmm... seems that was an oversight on my part... but I'm sure I'm not the first 🤣

I just find it amusing that others think they have all the answers. In that respect, wireless is like religion... everybody has salvation, but only THEIRS is the right one. I try to look at the whole picture from the other side of the counter... from the CUSTOMER'S viewpoint...maybe that's why I fail to see how one benefits from a network that SHOULD be much more than what it is. I guess I just find it a bit hard to swallow that a company can charge what Nextel does, yet spend so little on their network. Look at all the other carriers around, and they are spending much more on network expansion and developing new services than Nextel. If their custome...
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You keep stating coverage issues. Nextel and Nextel Partners are building out 2500 new cell sites this year alone!! 8,000 over the nextel 3 years. Nextel keeps drop and block calls well south of 2%, compare that with VZW drop rate average of 7%. JD Powers year after Year ranks Nextel No.1 in customer service. I don't understand why people hate Nextel. Jeolous I guess.

Actually, Verizon has been rated number 1 by JD Powers again and again by Customer Service, displaced for the first time by T-Mobile this year.

Verizon is also number one rated by Consumer Reports, and additionally, Verizon's national dropped call rate is the lowest in the industry.

We also invest about $1 billion more than other closest competitor in building cell towers.

I agree that every company has their own benefits, but I've got to be honest, short of PTT, what does Nextel have going for it? Just about nothing. I don't have much faith in Nextel past the next year or so as other carriers deploy PTT systems.

Just to name a few Nextel advantages:

1. Best Blackberry solution in the industry
2. Multiple GPS solutions
3. J2ME based phones and solutions
4. Barcode and credit card scanning solutions

Granted I sell to businesses and not consumers. I have yet to lose to deal to Verizon due to the true business solutions I can offer from Nextel.

As for the other PTT solutions that exist they will continue suffer from latency issues due to the software driven technology they use.

Nextel is testing its 3G/4G technology and when they deploy the Flarion solution Nextel's data will be as competitive as Verizon's.

Just my $0.02.....

for the push to talk solutions the FCC made a ruling a while ago saying that these networks must be tapped. i assume its 1. very expensive to do or 2. doesnt even exist.

now if the providers cant meet the fcc's requirements those people who have push to talk and would be getting push to talk in the united states will be baned from use. (obviously nextel wont since they spent millions of dollars a while ago tapping their networks)


but if it was the case that the other vendors could do that technology, i still dont see any of them impacting nextel's push to talk customer base.

nextel has better latency then the other providers do. nextel also has more security instead of the other carriers its your number that is direct connect. ...
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Good response nextel18, I could not have explained that more. On that note, we all know that every carrier has its pros and cons. But nobody will be able to match what nextel has ventured into doing. (PTT)

Nextel doesn't want to be like every other carrier that is out there.

thank you!

regarding high speed data as you know verizon wireless is rolling out that technology of atleast half of its network. this technology is called ev-do. this technology only goes on an average of 800kb/s. also sprint is going to be rolling this technology nationwide as well.

Actually EV DO is averaging around 300-500 kbps in Washington, D.C. and San Diego. I've used the service while in D.C. and I actually averaged speeds in the 750 kbps area. Let's stick to what you barely know (Nextel)...okay?

southwestcomm said:
Just to name a few Nextel advantages:

1. Best Blackberry solution in the industry
2. Multiple GPS solutions
3. J2ME based phones and solutions
4. Barcode and credit card scanning solutions

Granted I sell to businesses and not consumers. I have yet to lose to deal to Verizon due to the true business solutions I can offer from Nextel.

As for the other PTT solutions that exist they will continue suffer from latency issues due to the software driven technology they use.

Nextel is testing its 3G/4G technology and when they deploy the Flarion solution Nextel's data will be as competitive as Verizon's.

Just my $0.02.....

Hey, South...is Nextel using all that MMDS spectrum th...
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To be honest I do not know. I've read reviews of the service and it received great reviews.

From what I've heard Nextel will launch WiDEN first and then Flarion. While a great upgrade I wish Nextel would move straight to Flarion and skip WiDEN.

widen is for nextel's network to be faster up to 100kb/s while flarion is up to 1.5mb/s on a whole differnt system using mmds spectrum etc..

nextel just wants the widen to be sufficient enough until flarion comes out.

Good find macman. Your previous posts were right on.

macman said:
You miss the point.

Lowest churn means that customers ARE satisfied with Nextel since they are not leaving to go elsewhere.

Low bad debt means that people are willing to pay for what they get, therefore they must perceive it as being valuable.

I agree the higher CPGA means much more to the carrier than to the customer, but it's indicative of the mantra "you get what you pay for". People are only willing to spend more if they feel they are getting more, and since Nextel has BY FAR the lowest churn, people must perceive it as worth the dollars.

As for them being "grossly overpriced", take an economics class. Companies will charge what the market will bear. When customers leave or stop signing u

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nextel is expanding and spending money trying to expand coverage and capacity.. with 2200 cell sites nationwide.. even the fcc plan to get contigious spectrum in the upper 800mhz band from the CP and the 6:1 voice coder.. u guys should pay attention to the Conference call that happened april 22nd .. if u want the link tell me

Nextel only has the lowest churn of carriers if you consider prepaid AND postpaid combined.

Verizon's post-paid churn is lower than Nextel's post-paid churn, and they have better coverage, better phones, and better rated calling plans than Nextel.

Funny how a company can have it all, better coverage, better phones, lower churn, higher satisfaction while still having a lower ARPU than Nextel.

I'm not saying Verizon is flawless, but it *is* better than Nextel.

Cingular's churn rate is almost twice that of either Nextel or Verizon, although their pricing is more competitive.

It'll be interesting to see the growth of Nextel once those contracts end, and once other carriers offer a better PTT solution.

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Motorola quality really does still mean something. Here's the challenge: Stand up, hold your arm out straight in front of you, and drop your phone. With almost any Motorola product, the worst you have is a bent antenna, or the battery door flies off. 99/100 times the phone will power up and work fine.

Now do this with a Nokia, Samsung or LG. Probably still will have a survival rate of 50%+, but nowhere near the structural integrity of Motorola. And you won't feel confident when you do it.

Nextel sticks with Motorola not only because of the business relationship, but because it's just better stuff.

BTW, Motorola has been offering Nextel a camera-phone for a few years, but Nextel hasn't wanted it

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muchdrama said:
Making a "tough" phone does not make it a quality phone. Moto has ALOT of problems with their phones outside of the ones they offer through Nextel (which, for some reason, gets phones from Moto that work just fine). Other major carriers receive sub-par phones from Moto.

Like Verizon??? 😁

I agree, and you don't have to look any further than the V710 fiasco to prove muchdrama's point above... 😉

cheers,

kega

I would figure they only get motorola phones because only motorola makes iden phones. I believe they hold the patent (can't spell worth...)

yea motorola does hold the patent for iden. well actually they are the only ones who can do it hence the patent. its also propietary and made by motorola so thats another issue.

soon qchat and motorola are going to make it so that nextel's iden system will have interoperability with cdma systems.

then after that nextel can chose any other vendor they want.

That is very creepy considering IDEN uses the TDMA/GSM Protocol

"by Vox Dei Today, 11:37 AM



That is very creepy considering IDEN uses the TDMA/GSM Protocol
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can you explain to me what you mean and what does that have to do with my post? (i aint being mean i just am curious etc.)

Well you said the IDEN Nextel phones were going to be able to be used by CDMA towers (i think that's what you were saying). I thought that was strange because IDEN phones are a TDMA technology. I thought it would be easyer to build them so they can be used by TDMA or GSM towers.

Vox Dei said:
That is very creepy considering IDEN uses the TDMA/GSM Protocol

iDEN is not GSM. iDEN is TDMA using a VSELP vo-coder. Its PTT is derived from the same Motorola technology (SmartZone/Smartnet) that is used by thousands of Public Safety agencies worldwide.

Here is a tutorial on the iDEN technologies:

http://www.safecomprogram.gov/admin/librarydocs4/nex ... »

I didn't mean that is GSM. I was saying it uses the same protocol as TDMA and GSM use which is IS-136. GSM uses TDMA technology and expands on it just like iDEN uses TDMA technology and expands on it. But they are both IS-136 Protocol.

iDEN is not IS-136.

Read this:

http://www.tech-faq.com/mobile-telephony/iden.shtml »

and this

http://www.geocities.com/45peter/iden.html »

DONE!

Sorry i'm confused. I'll admit i don't know much about iDEN but you told me it was TDMA with some added stuff...TDMA IS IS-136. They are different terms for the same thing. Although IS-136 also includes the upgrades. Unfortunaly i can't get to those links right at the moment but i'll go check them out as soon as i get to a computer that is not internet blocked

Vox Dei said:
Sorry i'm confused. I'll admit i don't know much about iDEN but you told me it was TDMA with some added stuff...TDMA IS IS-136.

Its ok..were all here to learn. IS54 is TDMA also although it typically isn't used anymore, but because iDEN is in the TDMA family doesn't meant that its associated with the "IS###" standard.

i am going to find an article about the qchat for you to read over maybe you can understand it a little bit more 🙂

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Nextel, QUALCOMM and Motorola to Expand Direct Connect Services to Third Generation CDMA Networks Worldwide

RESTON, Va., SAN DIEGO, Ca., and SCHAUMBURG, Il. — January 10, 2002 — Nextel Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: NXTL), the premier provider of mobile wireless services to business customers, QUALCOMM Incorporated (Nasdaq: QCOM), pioneer and world leader of Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) digital wireless technology, and Motorola, Inc., (NYSE: MOT), the world leader in Push to Chat technology, today announced plans to develop a Direct Connect product for global wireless network operator...
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I didn't doubt you. I just thought it was strange that they would go to CDMA instead of a GSM/UTMS flavor.

i dont think they are going to cdma like in full. i think they will use their 1.9ghz if they get it and overlap with cdma and iden(not now but in the future). such as a dual iden/cdma phone. with qchat and motorola making it possible for the interoperablity with the cdma and iden networks all things are possible. iden is still a great technology and network especially with widen that gives speed up to 100kb/s and 6:1 voice coder that enhances capacity, which is the main problem that nextel has. i know nextel wants to do qchat with qualcomm for global direct connect or maybe they dont want to do any of that, but only tie up qchat from the carriers in the united states so that the other carriers cant use qchat.

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but only tie up qchat from the carriers in the united states so that the other carriers cant use qchat.

There's no tying up to it. Nextel and Motorola own the rights to American usage of the Qchat protocol.

thats what i was getting at. if you read what i said "but only tie up qchat from the carriers in the united states so that the other carriers cant use qchat."

that simply means that if nextel's other decision was just to simply tie qchat up, or not let other carriers use it in the united states, instead of using the qchat world wide.


"There's no tying up to it. Nextel and Motorola own the rights to American usage of the Qchat protocol"

thats exactly what i said, however in modified words.