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Is alltel going to shut off my phone?

mw717

Dec 5, 2006, 2:49 PM
I was in my local corporate store last weekend with my Motorola Timeport 8767. I have two lines: Main line is a Razr and 2nd line is my car phone. The timeport came installed in my BMW and it integrates beautifully with the navigation and voice control. I had it actived a while ago. anyways, I asked if I could get a flex update on it and they said motorola took down the firmware for it and oh by the way, that phone isn't going to work in 3 months because of E911. So, how are they going to do this? just start shutting down non-compliant ESN's or will I get a warning? Since my car is equipped with a GPS telemetry service, can't I argue that it is E911? Any insiders let me know.
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xyzpdq123456

Dec 5, 2006, 5:12 PM
u just cant use it anymore! IT wont work you should get a statement in your bill telling you the date it will end!
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AT_Rural_Wireless

Dec 7, 2006, 3:40 PM
No, you have no argument.
Alltel is following the rules laid out by the federal government (FCC). If Alltel, does not comply with rules then they will receive fines until 100% compliant. More stuff could happen to Alltel if they don’t comply but that’s different subject.

This is good for the whole community (people and the EMA).
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cattlebaron

Dec 7, 2006, 7:50 PM
Truly your phone will be shut off at some point.

You can thank all the people who can't seem to figure out where they are but somehow can dial their phones. It is the government here to "help" protect you from yourself and thus is mandating E911 for location services.

Your non-integrated location service doesn't comply with the E911 requirements.
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AT_Rural_Wireless

Dec 7, 2006, 8:50 PM
Your statement sounds sarcastic.
I'm sure your thinking would be different if the only thing you could is dial 911.

The old system could only triangulate your position (under standard circumstances). That means they have a 6 to10 mile radius from your position.

Here is an example: My friend hit some deer on a rural road and ended up rolling over into a ditch. Just before he passed out from a head injury he dialed 911. In his case, he was 2 miles away from the only tower connecting a corridor on a rural highway. EMS and the sheriff were able to use technology to locate him within the radius of that tower. It was a good thing because the accident caused his spleen to rupture. EMS stated that if they could have found him sooner then his ...
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AT_Rural_Wireless

Dec 7, 2006, 8:55 PM
Wireless E9-1-1: Phase I (Call Back) vs. Phase II (Location) When Phase 1 service is implemented by a public safety entity, your wireless phone number is displayed to 9-1-1 operators when the call is connected as well as the address of the tower serving your call. Should the call be disconnected, the operator would still have your call back number.

Phase II service generally provides upgraded emergency call centers with your location when you make a call. This phase is a joint venture between the public safety entity and the wireless carrier. Both play a role in providing the service, and it is up to the public safety entity in the area to initiate the request. On Alltel's network, callers must have a GPS-capable phone in order for 9-1-1...
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xyzpdq123456

Dec 7, 2006, 10:47 PM
yeah so if you have a GPS E911 phone they can get to ur exact location my sister works at 911 and she said so many lives could have been saved if they could find their exact location not just their tower!!! Wut if you had swallowed a gumball whole and couldnt talk then what good would a cell tower do!?!?!
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AT_Rural_Wireless

Dec 7, 2006, 11:32 PM
Hey xyz,

I don't think you understood the example I was using. The example was stating that triangulation to locate a cellular call to 911 was an insufficient method. It was promoting Enhanced 911 for its use of GPS technology.
The example used was from 6 years ago in reply to "cattlebaron's" sarcastic post.
My god, E911 is a completely better solution. Heck, the example was stating that if E911 with GPS was being used, then EMS personnel would have been able to locate him faster. Instead of being in critical condition upon arrival, he could probably been in just serious condition.
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xyzpdq123456

Dec 8, 2006, 5:05 PM
oh so did he die!?!?!
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cattlebaron

Dec 8, 2006, 3:24 PM
My sarcasm and disgust comes from forcing a whole system to upgrade rather than just offering it as an add-on service. By forcing the whole system to upgrade all the carrier and consumer products we run into things like the original poster having their equipment made obsolete when he/she might not have even wanted the added service.

In most instances the FCC has been slow and cautious about forcing consumers to upgrade their products (ex. HDTV signals and HDTV) and even then they made it a requirement that HDTV converters for older TVs were available.

The reasons that that the FCC gave for forcing E911 on us were 1) cell phone services are a luxury and thus voluntary 2) it was too costly to put on a few subscribers and 3) the bene...
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AT_Rural_Wireless

Dec 8, 2006, 7:27 PM
No xyz, he did not die. He was real close to dying though.

“Cattlebaron”, I understand the cost of infrastructure for the implementing E911 system. I'm of the opinion that giving a consumer the choice to have this service as an “add-on” would be a mistake.

Yes, cell phones are luxury not a necessity. Example: You don’t need to buy a new vehicle every 4 to 6 years.

I respect your opinion. As for my opinion, I believe this will be a great step in saving lives in the times of emergency.
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