My hats off but the Grave is dug
I just wanted to congratulate Verizon on a good run you managed to get up to 44 million customers but now you are going to fall behind in the market because of Cingualr and T-Mobile and the GSM technology did you know their is a global association that is trying to push this technology all across the world due to it's overwhelming success in Japan and europe. Verizon you just arn't going to be able to keep up in the future and bet you in 10 years you will have dropped far below Cingular and even be behind T-Mobile that's not an insult or anything it's just that these are the 2 major GSM companies and the potential this technology has is going to put those 2 companies at the top and keep them their unless Verizon thinks very seriously about h...
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Right, that is all you can say. Go to a website that's sole purpose is to praise the past and future of GSM? You are going to have to do better than that hoser. Have another Molson eh!
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bigdaddyjay said:
Right, that is all you can say. Go to a website that's sole purpose is to praise the past and future of GSM? You are going to have to do better than that hoser. Have another Molson eh!
Uh Excuse me. Nobody praises the past like Verizon.......... 😉
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kingfrog77 said:
Uh Excuse me. Nobody praises the past like Verizon.......... 😉
Ah, but why should they praise only the past? In the present as well, they're profitable, adding customers like mad, and have a churn rate that most of their competitors would kill for.
VZW is doin' great KF. In fact, their future's so bright, they gotta wear shades 😎
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1stCanuck said:
I just wanted to congratulate Verizon on a good run you managed to get up to 44 million customers but now you are going to fall behind in the market because of Cingualr and T-Mobile and the GSM technology did you know their is a global association that is trying to push this technology all across the world due to it's overwhelming success in Japan and europe. Verizon you just arn't going to be able to keep up in the future and bet you in 10 years . . .
Now to address the claim of "overwhelming success in Japan and Europe." Have you ever heard of a littel Japanese wireless company called DoCoMo? They've got around 40,000,000 (as nearly as I can tell, their charts are rather confusing,...
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How very clever, you dodged the question like a true politician. Kudos.
But here it is again. If GSM is really all it is cracked up to be, why did Cingular institute a CDMA offshoot for its highspeed data services?
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
But here it is again. If GSM is really all it is cracked up to be, why did Cingular institute a CDMA offshoot for its highspeed data services?
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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CDMA and UMTS (also called WCDMA which I prefer not to use as its obvious people get false ideas in their heads when hearing it) are totally and entirely unalike. UMTS is an alteration of GSM, running on the core GSM technology. The ONLY similarity between UMTS and CDMA is that with UMTS, a coded air-interface is overlayed on the GSM technology. Do NOT get the idea that because it is called WCDMA that it is an "offshoot" of CDMA. It is not even close.
UMTS= The next generation of the GSM FAMILY!
UMTS= The next generation of the GSM FAMILY!
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BZZZZT!
Wrong again.
Who is one of the leaders in CDMA development? Qualcomm. Why is this important? Because they are deeply involved in the development of 3G CDMA technologies. While remarking about the shipment of their one billionth chip, the following was said:
"As we hit our one billion milestone, our team is now the largest and most experienced group of CDMA engineering and customer relations professionals in the industry. Looking forward, our expertise in developing CDMA2000 1X and WCDMA (UMTS) devices, coupled with our unique, complete-solution approach to serving our customers, will enable many companies to realize and benefit from 3G," said Dr. Sanjay K. Jha, president of QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies.
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Wrong again.
Who is one of the leaders in CDMA development? Qualcomm. Why is this important? Because they are deeply involved in the development of 3G CDMA technologies. While remarking about the shipment of their one billionth chip, the following was said:
"As we hit our one billion milestone, our team is now the largest and most experienced group of CDMA engineering and customer relations professionals in the industry. Looking forward, our expertise in developing CDMA2000 1X and WCDMA (UMTS) devices, coupled with our unique, complete-solution approach to serving our customers, will enable many companies to realize and benefit from 3G," said Dr. Sanjay K. Jha, president of QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies.
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very interesting speedy. good information.
"the WCDMA is indeed a CDMA technology at the core."
i thought so.
"the WCDMA is indeed a CDMA technology at the core."
i thought so.
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nextel18 said:
i thought so.
You thought wrong.
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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well thats what speedy said.
show some links to back yours up then i will belive you.
show some links to back yours up then i will belive you.
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Do you know what CDMA stands for? Code Division Multiple Acces. As I said before WCDMA is a new technology based off of core GSM technology overlayed with the same coded-interface as CDMA. That is why the both have "CDMA" in their name, but aren't remotely the same technology.
Those white papers said nothing about CDMA and WCDMA being similar technologies. It was in fact, comparing/contrasting the technical aspects of the technologies to make a point of which one was more efficient.
Qualcomm is making WCDMA chipsets? Wow. That MUST mean that CDMA and WCDMA are the same thing. Qualcomm sees the potential fortune they will be making by suppyling WCDMA chipsets, but that isn't implying that WCDMA and CDMA are the same thing ...
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Those white papers said nothing about CDMA and WCDMA being similar technologies. It was in fact, comparing/contrasting the technical aspects of the technologies to make a point of which one was more efficient.
Qualcomm is making WCDMA chipsets? Wow. That MUST mean that CDMA and WCDMA are the same thing. Qualcomm sees the potential fortune they will be making by suppyling WCDMA chipsets, but that isn't implying that WCDMA and CDMA are the same thing ...
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You must be getting that "Am i talking to a brick wall and nobody understands" feeling. There is no point beating this into people, they either get it or they don't and Nextel18 is a Qualcomm site lover so I am unsure why he hasn't figured out the dofference here.
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is it just me or does this thread sound like a rhetorical debate?
GSM and CDMA are just 2 different types of technology. That doesn't mean one is better than the other. Of course though people will always have their opinions.
Yes, GSM is much bigger than CDMA and is considered a world-wide standard. Let's not overlook how fast CDMA is growing however. Only time will tell where it will go, or GSM for that matter.
Let's also not forget that VZW is who set the standard in many aspects to which it's competitors strived to exceed, and it's taken this long to even get them to sweat. In my opinion, they have taken on a rather arrogant attitude in some areas, and complacent in others. That is only human, and it's humans running the machi...
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GSM and CDMA are just 2 different types of technology. That doesn't mean one is better than the other. Of course though people will always have their opinions.
Yes, GSM is much bigger than CDMA and is considered a world-wide standard. Let's not overlook how fast CDMA is growing however. Only time will tell where it will go, or GSM for that matter.
Let's also not forget that VZW is who set the standard in many aspects to which it's competitors strived to exceed, and it's taken this long to even get them to sweat. In my opinion, they have taken on a rather arrogant attitude in some areas, and complacent in others. That is only human, and it's humans running the machi...
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is it just me or does this thread sound like a rhetorical debate?
GSM and CDMA are just 2 different types of technology. That doesn't mean one is better than the other. Of course though people will always have their opinions.
Yes, GSM is much bigger than CDMA and is considered a world-wide standard. Let's not overlook how fast CDMA is growing however. Only time will tell where it will go, or GSM for that matter.
Let's also not forget that VZW is who set the standard in many aspects to which it's competitors strived to exceed, and it's taken this long to even get them to sweat. In my opinion, they have taken on a rather arrogant attitude in some areas, and complacent in others. That is only
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kingfrog77 said:...bizkitsngravy said:
is it just me or does this thread sound like a rhetorical debate?
GSM and CDMA are just 2 different types of technology. That doesn't mean one is better than the other. Of course though people will always have their opinions.
Yes, GSM is much bigger than CDMA and is considered a world-wide standard. Let's not overlook how fast CDMA is growing however. Only time will tell where it will go, or GSM for that matter.
Let's also not forget that VZW is who set the standard in many aspects to which it's competitors strived to exceed, and it's taken this long to even get them to sweat. In my opinion, they have taken on a rather arrogant attitude in some areas, an
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kingfrog77 said:
My BAd..I ment Palms SW Treo.....
Well, actually they have Tero's, Blackberrys, windows smart phones...they have them all...
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller? ... »
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Well, here are some advantages that CDMA has:
Increased security for wireless communications
Duplex conversations
increased efficiency that allows a large network to handle traffic effectively (better return for the money invested)
Better battery life for phones as low power consumption
Better capacity and reach
CDMA when compared to GSM is a much older network. Before it was declassified they were using first generations of CDMA back in WWII. Only in 1991 was it tested for cellular use.
Really the only bad side to CDMA I see is that it is completely proprietary. You're right, no OTC products, no unlocking products (that I know of). That and it's lacking in roaming capabilities, but catching up.
Increased security for wireless communications
Duplex conversations
increased efficiency that allows a large network to handle traffic effectively (better return for the money invested)
Better battery life for phones as low power consumption
Better capacity and reach
CDMA when compared to GSM is a much older network. Before it was declassified they were using first generations of CDMA back in WWII. Only in 1991 was it tested for cellular use.
Really the only bad side to CDMA I see is that it is completely proprietary. You're right, no OTC products, no unlocking products (that I know of). That and it's lacking in roaming capabilities, but catching up.
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Well, here are some advantages that CDMA has:
Increased security for wireless communications
Duplex conversations
increased efficiency that allows a large network to handle traffic effectively (better return for the money invested)
Better battery life for phones as low power consumption
Better capacity and reach
CDMA when compared to GSM is a much older network. Before it was declassified they were using first generations of CDMA back in WWII. Only in 1991 was it tested for cellular use.
Really the only bad side to CDMA I see is that it is completely proprietary. You're right, no OTC products, no unlocking products (that I know of). That and it's lacking in roaming capabilities, but catch
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The hacks had nothing to do with the phones or GSM, it was a computer system, and don't even get me started on Paris Hilton...
Well, if you're happy with your phone and provider, why would it matter if you can't buy an OTC phone?
Sure I like knowing I can unlock my phone if I decide to travel to hong kong and use it with another pre-paid subscriber...but wait...I did that already and ended up buying an unlocked phone off of ebay anyway. In which case it didn't matter that I was a T-Mobile customer here.
The convience of having one phone and one phone number you can take with you all over the world is nice. vzw has the cdma/gsm phone, but it has it's ups and downs.....yadda yadda yadda... The point is, there's always a solution.
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Well, if you're happy with your phone and provider, why would it matter if you can't buy an OTC phone?
Sure I like knowing I can unlock my phone if I decide to travel to hong kong and use it with another pre-paid subscriber...but wait...I did that already and ended up buying an unlocked phone off of ebay anyway. In which case it didn't matter that I was a T-Mobile customer here.
The convience of having one phone and one phone number you can take with you all over the world is nice. vzw has the cdma/gsm phone, but it has it's ups and downs.....yadda yadda yadda... The point is, there's always a solution.
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Well to be honest many developing nations are implementing CDMA 450 which has a much longer range from the tower due to the frequency it uses. Secondly, most US carriers have a huge interest in WIFI technology, whether it be WIMAX or Flarion. Increase the speed, increase the capacity, increase the range. All valid reasons to abandon current technology for bigger and better things to come.
GSM was and is fine as is UMTS/HSDPA but a WIFI product will definitely retire both.
GSM was and is fine as is UMTS/HSDPA but a WIFI product will definitely retire both.
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