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REV A ??????

gunny

Mar 15, 2006, 10:25 AM
what changes will REV A bring to verizon??

a chance for better PTT speeds
what else


I also read a rumor the REV A could bring a ui change or the ability allow the user to download additional themes for the standardized UI. Verizon makes money and customers get rid of red bars, it's a win/win situation. Anyone here of anything like this coming?

Thanks 🙂
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 11:02 AM
gunny.. you are interesting in interesting technologies!! very good.

rev a allows for better data speeds both uplink and downlink, decreases latency speeds, and adds VOIP to the frame. if verizon re-deploys their push to talk network over the rev a network then yes, we should see faster connection, however, once qchat comes out, lol verizon is toast with their push to talk service. (same with everyone else)

i think verizon is coming out with rev a either in very late 2006 or early 2007. sprint is coming with rev a in 2007.
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gunny

Mar 15, 2006, 11:19 AM
Thanks I'm just not sure how VOIP will work in conjunction with the network 😕 can you clear this up for me please
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 11:36 AM
i am not quite sure, so perhaps Rich should voice his say, but i think it allows for a better transaction between the PSTN and MSTO and it also lowers the cost. i also think that the coverage would be enhanced becuase you can use technologies like UMA and wifi to enhance it. i think it is easier an add on or a replacement of the current network, but i am not 100 percent sure on that statement.

sorry, but i am not too familiar with VOIP. i could always find out for you. (Qualcomm does it best obviously)
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gunny

Mar 15, 2006, 11:46 AM
ok I'm glad im not the only one slightly confused by this, you gave me more insight then I had though.. thanks
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 11:52 AM
welcome..

yea, i am not really confused, but i am more not into this kinda technology until its released and then perhaps if i am excited by this technology then i will understand it better.

rich would also probably know about this, but qualcomm would know also.
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bulldude

Mar 15, 2006, 12:07 PM
Wait, I need to get this right, you aren't confused, you just don't understand the technology, right?
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 12:18 PM
i said i am not into the technology.
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gunny

Mar 15, 2006, 11:26 AM
If verizon is launching REV A first ahead of sprint how does sprint step in with this Q chat and blow everyone away. Is Q chat proprietary technology?
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 11:43 AM
from what i am understanding that it will be very close to determine whether or not who will win the race, but i think sprint will beat them to the punch becuase sprint actually confirmed doing it while verizon hasnt.

i know sprint will be finished with rev o by the end of this year but not really with verizon becuase they didnt mention it.

perhaps we will know more when they release first qt 2006 numbers which should be soon, becuase this 1st quarter is almost over. (17 total days left, 13 business days left)

nextel has the qchat on exclusivity for quite some time with renewels and obvioiusly since sprint bought out nextel that means the rights are now sprint's. well, when qchat was first tested over the rev a network of course...
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dca

Mar 15, 2006, 12:05 PM
Couldn't agree more. Sprint will definitely be out front. Between all this:

Sprint-Nextel splitting wireline and calling it EMBARQ so it can still take advantage of bundled services with DishNetwork...

Sprint-Nextel splitting wireline and calling it EMBARQ so it (NINT) can sign interesting agreements with ALL the major cable carriers in the US because of the third inp*t, I mean third screen concept.

Sprint-Nextel catering to all the MVNOs like Qwest and their OneNumber & SuperVoicemail concepts and ESPN with their "I get to watch the '86 World Series" on my phone crap!

Sprint has no choice but to be #1 in Data and everything else. There is too much riding on this for them not to be....
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 12:20 PM
yea. in addition, they are basically not a carrier any more but instead they are a content provider. they obviously lead in many areas regarding data and they will lead in the future especially with their mvnos, their subsiduaries and their deals.
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 11:25 AM
some applications;

video and music on demand, media flow (a tv solution), location services, bluetooth and wifi, play real time interactive games, transmit high resolution pictures, video conferencing, VOIP, and others.


positive implications;
speeds up data speeds, lowers latency, increases data and perhaps voice arpu, download large files, improves QoS (quality of service), improves capacity, and others.

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basically it allows the user to be able to use more bandwidth intense applications which will allow them to be happier and pay more which allows the carrier who is doing REV A to collect more data revenue. (data arpu) it allows the provider to provide these services at lower costs, improving capacity, improving spectr...
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gunny

Mar 15, 2006, 11:32 AM
thanks nextel
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 11:44 AM
my pleasure 🙂
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dca

Mar 15, 2006, 11:48 AM
I could be wrong (I am most of the time because I like to make sh*t up 😁 ) but RevA has to be in place before handsets (made with the same insides) can take advantage of switching between a cell signal and a WiFi network (VoIP) that would say be installed in your house... Meaning, if you have poor signal in your house as do I (and all other SPCS subscribers) your handset can switch to the WiFi network.

I'm sure it will help their PTT times but not enough to make you recycle your Nextel handset...
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bulldude

Mar 15, 2006, 12:11 PM
I don't think EV-DO rev A has anything to do with WIFI, WIMAX, or any other air interfaces. Didn't I read that Nokia was showing off a phone that would switch between WIFI and GSM networks? Maybe at CES?
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dca

Mar 15, 2006, 12:27 PM
It wasn't so much as air interfaces or technologies, more like interfacing...

There was a UMA test done last year, maybe that one...
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200511/1019072_5.html »
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bulldude

Mar 15, 2006, 12:39 PM
Yeah, but that's all Rev A is. A new air interface. Rev. A is just an improved way to string together 1s and 0s over RF.
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dca

Mar 15, 2006, 12:49 PM
Exactly... WiFi 802.11 is kind of the same thing, sending the 0's and 1's ove the air. I guess to hand-off (even with the UMA dealie) between two simutaneously within the phone it has to be special! This article might have been the one:

http://www.lucent.com/press/1002/021014.nsb.html »
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 12:54 PM
"The demonstration will utilize Lucent's 3G CDMA2000 1xEV-DO network equipment, a laptop equipped with a Sierra Wireless AirCard® - a wide-area wireless PC Card, a Proxim ORINOCO® 802.11 WLAN card and ipUnplugged's Seamless Roaming Gateway solution. It also incorporates Mobile IP, a key standard established by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), which enables seamless inter-technology handoffs between 802.11 and 3G technologies and is essential to maintaining "always-on" high-speed mobile Internet connections. This technique is made possible by a unique mobile network architecture developed by Bell Labs. "

"MURRAY HILL, N.J. - Lucent Technologies (NYSE: LU) today announced plans to demonstrate seamless handoffs of wireless data ...
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dca

Mar 15, 2006, 1:00 PM
Yes. Thank you. 😁
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nextel18

Mar 15, 2006, 1:10 PM
welcome..
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 12:21 PM
OK, let's see here, the words "Rev A" appear exactly zero times in the quotes above. Yes, they are showing a single network platform that allows for carriers to service folks across different RF standards. Kind of like a switch that will service GSM and CDMA towers. Again, this is cool, this is forward-looking, but this has nothing to do with EV-DO rev A.
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nextel18

Mar 16, 2006, 12:26 PM
he wasnt mentioning REV A he was just saying there will be a seamless connection between the interfaces.
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 2:18 PM
Read his first post. I can quote if you want.
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nextel18

Mar 16, 2006, 2:49 PM
no its ok.. i dont really care that much, but i think he meant about the other interfaces...
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 5:14 PM
In other words, you didn't read his first post.


RevA has to be in place before handsets (made with the same insides) can take advantage of switching between a cell signal and a WiFi network (VoIP)


I know, he preceded it with "I may be wrong." I was just informing him and everyone else that EV-DO rev A has nothing to do with interfacing CDMA and WiFi on the same handset. It does allow for faster uplink speeds and maybe even some QOS or diffserv settings, which makes for a better VoIP connection, but it's not about combining different RF interfaces on a handset.
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nextel18

Mar 16, 2006, 5:26 PM
i read his post..

it allows for a better air interface with REV A and wifi, and voip and others.. fyi, rev a comes with voip.
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 5:49 PM
Your post makes no sense either.


it allows for a better air interface with REV A and wifi, and voip and others.. fyi, rev a comes with voip.


The name of the topic is "Rev A." So that would have to be "it," in the above statement. So to translate,
"Rev A allows for a better air interface with Rev A..."

No sense at all...
It's obvious that you don't understand what an air interface is when discussing wireless.
Please, don't reply, just walk away. You've dug your hole deep enough on this one.
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nextel18

Mar 16, 2006, 5:56 PM
it makes plenty of sense.. i did REV A type which was my mistake.. take out "it" then it makes perfect sense.

now your attacking me, just becuase i made a small error? wow shame on you.

it is obvious that you dont know how to discuss anything with people and if they make a small mistake, like i did, you attack them..

again.. shame on you..
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 6:21 PM
I'm only trying to correct, as I pointed out before. I said that your post did not make sense, and that it implied a gap in your understanding of the RF side of wireless. I did not attack you, only your post and the ideas behind it. I did not call you any names, I did not state that you are unintelligent. I only criticized your statements and advised you not to make further ones on this subject. If a person is sensitive to critical statements about their positions, then I would wonder why they stated it in a forum such as this.

And your post still makes no sense. Grammar has nothing to do with it. Rev A has nothing to do with WIFI or an ability for a handset to work with multiple air interfaces. Nothing. dca said it did. I point...
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nextel18

Mar 16, 2006, 6:40 PM
i didnt even read it, sorry.. what a waste of time and space..
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 6:41 PM
Thanks. I accept your apology.
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nextel18

Mar 16, 2006, 6:44 PM
i didnt apologize to you and i will never, becuase you didnt teach me anything, becuase i already know about this stuff, and i already understood what the other members were saying.. i made an error in my grammar and that was it.. its that simple..
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 6:51 PM
You are so funny when you pretend that you know this stuff...
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 6:56 PM
nextel18 said:
i didnt apologize to you and i will never, becuase you didnt teach me anything, becuase i already know about this stuff,


or is it because you didn't read my post?

nextel18 said:
i didnt even read it,



nextel18 said:
and i already understood what the other members were saying.. i made an error in my grammar and that was it.. its that simple..


So you agree with my statements about Rev A, other air interfaces, and VoIP?
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bulldude

Mar 17, 2006, 4:39 PM
Typical, can't argue effectively. Just run and hide.
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 6:50 PM
Taking out the words REV A, as you mentioned you placed them there inadvertantly.

So

Rev A allows for a better air interface with wifi, voip and others.

This makes a bit of sense, maybe no sense was a bit too harsh. I think that you are confusing the term "air interface." That's a wireless RF term for the way that data is being passed over the air. So WIFI, CDMA, WIMAX, GSM, would all be considered air interfaces. They are the interface that the network has with a handset over the air. VoIP is an application that can run over an air interface when IP is running over a wireless connection. So Rev A does provide better IP services (specifically QOS) that will allow for better VoIP, but there's already half-decent VoIP services o...
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bulldude

Mar 16, 2006, 12:25 PM
Another thing, please note that they are using multiple devices to connect over multiple standards to a single network platform. The real cool "convergence" to look out for is when you can do all that on a single device, something like SWR, able to flip back and forth from GSM to CDMA to WIFI to WIMAX to watching broadcast digital TV or listening to satellite radio.
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