RE: My post on Verizon's rate plans
The response has been overwhelming to my post on Verizon's need to step up to the plate. I've read all the posts, but can't possibly respond to every one of them. I've created this thread to respond to some of the major points made in most of the responses. #1. Verizon's plans are close in price. This is completely and utterly wrong. True, you get the same daytime minutes for the same price, but when you factor in things like rollover minutes, free incoming and my faves offered by the other carriers, everything changes. A person on another network could conceivably use 2000 minutes in one month calling anyone they want and still pay only $39.99 per month, whereas on Verizon, try $698.00! ($.45 per minute over, x 1550 minutes). I know countle...
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jrfdsf said:
Folks, Verizon ain't gonna lower their prices until people start complaining about it.
Really you realize you're complety wrong right?
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Why? If you owned a business and could charge whatever prices you wanted to and people were willing to pay it, wouldn't you do it? I would. What incentive would there be to lower your prices? Unless people say "I'm not gonna pay that much", the prices stay the same. Did Ma Bell ever lower her prices when she was the only phone company in town?
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I'm making perfect sense, the question is, does anyone get it? If a person wants to pay more and get less, that's their prerogative, but I personally don't like it. What Verizon charges affects everyone who has a cell phone no matter who their provider is because as long as Verizon keeps their prices up, the other guys don't have to go as low on their own prices, now what if Verizon started offering rollover, or free incoming? then, in order to stay competitive, the other guys would ave to offer something even better. High gas prices affect everyone regardless of where you go to buy and so does anything else.
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I get it, you're right.
Microsoft anyone? Everyone complains that they monopolize the market but if your product is good and you destroy the competitors, then isn't that what a business essentially wants?
Microsoft anyone? Everyone complains that they monopolize the market but if your product is good and you destroy the competitors, then isn't that what a business essentially wants?
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I hear what your saying. But maybe if verizon posts figures like sprint you will see them start changing what they are doing. but as it stands they are doing just fine. Yes sprint makes a $10 more profit per customer but that will mean less and less if they keep posting crappy figures!
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ARPU is nice, but if your costs are high to retain that ARPU who cares... it's really about the profability margin. Profit per customer to me is more important.
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wrong!!!
sprints ARPU is higher then Verizon's. however their cost per user is higher then Verizons.
if you take the ARPU and subtract the cost per user you will see that VERIZON WIRELESS, not sprint, actually has a higher margin of profitability.
I dont have the exact numbers in front of me rihgt now but its something like
Sprint: ARPU 60$ Sprint: Cost per user: 40$ Profit margin: 34%
VZW: ARPU 50$ VZW: Cost per user: 27$ Profit Margin: 46%
do the full reserach before you make claims please.
sprints ARPU is higher then Verizon's. however their cost per user is higher then Verizons.
if you take the ARPU and subtract the cost per user you will see that VERIZON WIRELESS, not sprint, actually has a higher margin of profitability.
I dont have the exact numbers in front of me rihgt now but its something like
Sprint: ARPU 60$ Sprint: Cost per user: 40$ Profit margin: 34%
VZW: ARPU 50$ VZW: Cost per user: 27$ Profit Margin: 46%
do the full reserach before you make claims please.
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This post is not retarded, and that is an insult to people who have mental disabilities. Look, Verizon charges too much, period! Nothing that can be said will ever change that fact. It's simple mathematics. They give fewer minutes for the same price. They don't have national plans starting at $30.00 or unlimited minute plans. What they charge affects everyone because as long as they're charging the same thing, no one else is lowering prices. As for them posting lower numbers, they already are, and will continue downward if they don't lower their prices.
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No you the insult to them with your logic. Its called a business. They are on the top of it as we type! Until 1.9 million people stop signing up every quarter they will not change their pricing. Why would they what motivation do they have. Thats like gas company's lowering their prices when they are making record profits and people keep buying gas at a record pace. You must know nothing about retail and are just complaining. When (and not if) they start dropping from the number one spot they will adjust accordingly. But while they are their why oh why would they want to change what they are doing?
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To STAY ahead. You don't stay ahead offering the same old thing year after year, eventually, it will catch up to them. This is a very competitive business. The gas companies are charging what they want because they offer something everyone must have, and there's very little real competition in this industry. No one really HAS to have a cell phone, but gasoline and oil is a must to survive. I have worked in retail sales, and I do know about pricing. You don't ever beat the other guy by charging more money. Verizon will go down the tubes if they don't change. You see, the reason they haven't before now is they have successfully made their rate plans LOOK similarly priced to everyone else's. A lot of people with Verizon don't even know other wi...
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No you know why because they successfully market their network as the best! Its the old saying you pay for what you get. So until people start believing they are all pretty equal then it won't change. People don't just buy cheap. They also go for quality so your reasoning is flawed. There is more to picking a carrier then pricing!
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My reasoning is not flawed. What you're saying would be true if Verizon actually provided a reliable service, but they don't. No wireless provider is truly reliable. "Marketed", is right. Their claim to have the most reliable network is about like a restaurant claiming to have the fewest cases of food poisoning in the area. That's not reliable. If you want reliable get a beeper. Wireless service is still in its infancy and any consumer magazine will tell you this. Verizon is not a reliable service, it's a service of convenience, just like everyone else. On any given day,Verizon can drop your call, tell you you have no service, or not complete a call because their network is busy, just like everybody else. This is a fact. And they charge more...
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It doesn't matter if they are the worst if people believe they are the best end of story! Damn I am going to talk to my 3yr old now as I can get him to understand better then you!
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I can believe, for example, a stove isn't hot, but that belief won't keep me from getting burned if I touch it. What someone believes isn't the issue, it's what Verizon wireless charges for their rate plans. Curse and swear all you want, call me names, but it doesn't change the fact Verizon charges more than anyone else. That is the issue. I have a son almost three, and I agree, they do understand better than most adults.
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Let me try this again. I company will not! Le4t me say it again WILL NOT change their plans when they are adding more subscribers then any other wireless company. That is the BOTTOM LINE!
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Lets look at #1 in this post...
Are all of the 2000 minutes from 6am to 9pm Monday thru Friday?
That is the only way that the overages would be charged.
You can also bump your plan to cover those minutes..at any time....or lower it if its too high...as many times as you want...
This is getting old...
Stop posting for a while..
Are all of the 2000 minutes from 6am to 9pm Monday thru Friday?
That is the only way that the overages would be charged.
You can also bump your plan to cover those minutes..at any time....or lower it if its too high...as many times as you want...
This is getting old...
Stop posting for a while..
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brentgodwin said:
This is getting old...
Stop posting for a while..
I agree
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Not so! You can use 2000 minutes with a &39.99 rate plan many ways: SPRINT- free incoming, 450 outgoing minutes with 1550 incoming. Your cost with Verizon- $620 in overages (1550 mn. x $.45 per min.). CINGULAR- rollover, You use 200 minutes per month for eight months, you now have 2000 extra minutes to use whenever to whomever. T-Mobile- my faves, you choose the numbers you call most often out of network and use 2000 minutes. Let's take your suggestion of bumping up to a higher Verizon plan. 2000 minutes on Verizon- $99.00, a difference of $55.00. That 55 bucks in a month's time will buy a tank of gas, or a couple bags of groceries, or a night out at O'Charlie's, or wherever you like to eat out at, etc. As for your suggestion of not posting ...
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What in the heck are you talking about? That post is very readable and logical. Just more insults. If you disagree with what I said, that's o.k., but let's leave the insults out of it.
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why dont you port your number and stfu rather then type a book on an independent web forum?
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MidnightDT said:
why dont you port your number and stfu rather then type a book on an independent web forum?
I dumped Verizon a long time ago. Prices. As for typing a book, call it what you will, but these ridiculous replies must be responded to. I'm not going to just sit idly by while someone totally trashes every point I make and just say, well that's their opinion. I don't get that courtesy, so why should I give it in return?
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Lets just say hypothetically that Verizon stops adding more customers than anybody else every quarter. Do you really think that they won't change their plans at some point. I remember back in the day verizon share lines were $19.99 long after everybody else changed to $9.99. Yes it took awhile but they eventually changed. I'm sure they have all kinds of ideas just waiting in their back pockets for when they need it. I am not saying that it wouldn't benefit a lot of people for cheaper plans or if they added some gimmick like everybody else. But for now why would they change anything.
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My reply to that is, I don't know. I would think they would, but my question is, why not now? When you're at the top of your game, the best way to stay there is to be one step ahead of the other guys in EVERY area, including pricing. All I'm saying is Verizon should lower their prices to futher solidify their position a a leader in the wireless industry. The fact that they don't have to to me is not a valid point. In business, you must go the extra mile to stay competitive, and I think lowering prices would be a step in the right direction.
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Why go the extra mile when the rest of the industry is trying to to do things to just stay competitive with verizon. Why would they change until another company is viewed as more of a threat. Why change plans to make less money when you don't have to. While I think it would be great if they did change the plans, I wouldn't see why they would do it at this point in time unless they really needed to. Also to add to that, if they were to change plans why not wait til after the holiday season when things die down a little. Then bring out some great new offer to entice people back during a normal slow time.
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wombough said:
that has been explained like 20 times to him but he doesn't understand it.
And has been COMPLETELY refuted twenty times. The bottom line is they charge too much. Why would anyone want to pay more and be glad of it? The "little more" everyone thinks they charge is actually a lot more. Most people I know on Verizon have bills each month well over a hundred bucks. Somebody needs to be saying "hey you don't have to pay that, it's not that way with other companies".
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More folks than that on Cingular, so what's your point? Mine is: General Motors makes the worst cars in the industry, but lot's of folks buy them. Numbers don't equal quality, affordability or reliability. Will Verizon change? Hopefully before their stocks do like Nextel and plummet below 20 per share. History is our best teacher.
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59 million on verizon 57 million on cingular 52 million on sprint. Just shows you don't have a clue!
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wombough said:
59 million on verizon 57 million on cingular 52 million on sprint. Just shows you don't have a clue!
Uh, sorry, but Cingular still does have more subscribers. Your figures are incorrect.
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For some people going with another carrier may save them money. That doesn't mean its beneficial for everybody. If I switched to another carrier my bill would be outrageous. I use a ton of IN minutes and its more than 5 people so myfaves wouldn't help and to get a bank of rollover minutes I would have to go on a much higher plan than 39.99. And screw incoming calls, I wouldn't want to call somebody then say hey can you call me right back. So just because other carriers offer some other perks doesn't really matter to everybody.
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I'm not suggesting that ANYONE on Verizon switch because of the prices, (although threating to might not be a bad idea!). I'm just saying VZW ought to give you what everyone else has! Free incoming DOES save you minutes. Don't you ever get calls from people on landline phones or other cellular networks? If someone calls you on another networkor landline, and you talk to that person for several hours, and that happens several times a month, there goes all your daytime minutes and then some. This is why most business folks have Nextel's because a lot of the calls they get would not necessarily be on their network or any other in particular. By the way, EVERYBODY has "in". All "in" is is free M2M. Everybody and their uncle has it, does not char...
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jrfdsf said:
Don't you ever get calls from people on landline phones or other cellular networks? If someone calls you on another networkor landline, and you talk to that person for several hours, and that happens several times a month, there goes all your daytime minutes and then some.
Nope. Anybody that I would have previously talked to has verizon now.
Your right Verizon doesn't have other choices, but I do. My choice or anybody else's choice is to choose a different carrier. I choose not to because I use a buttload of IN minutes and use less then 100 peak minutes a month.
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Is it really worth the debate anymore? If you can even call it that... 🙄
I gave up being realistic with that guy yesterday 😕
I gave up being realistic with that guy yesterday 😕
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Let's take a look at the basic $39.99 plan of each carrier.
T-mobile has 3 plans
600 mins Unlimited N/W @ 9pm
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1000 mins No other promo
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300 min Unlimited N/W @ 9pm and MyFavs (5 in net)
Cingular's has 450 mins Mobile 2 Mobile and rollover (no N/W)
Sprint has 450 mins Unlimited N/W @ 7pm and Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
Alltel has 500 mins Unlimited N/W @ 9pm and Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
VZW has 450 mins Unlimited N/W @ 9pm and Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
I think the only one that has an advantage is Alltel with 50 mins more then the rest with equal features or Sprint with 7pm nights. If you want more such as adding Mobile to Mobile, Unlimited N/W, Nights @ 7pm, Unlimited incoming calls, My Circle, etc... you have ...
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T-mobile has 3 plans
600 mins Unlimited N/W @ 9pm
or
1000 mins No other promo
or
300 min Unlimited N/W @ 9pm and MyFavs (5 in net)
Cingular's has 450 mins Mobile 2 Mobile and rollover (no N/W)
Sprint has 450 mins Unlimited N/W @ 7pm and Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
Alltel has 500 mins Unlimited N/W @ 9pm and Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
VZW has 450 mins Unlimited N/W @ 9pm and Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
I think the only one that has an advantage is Alltel with 50 mins more then the rest with equal features or Sprint with 7pm nights. If you want more such as adding Mobile to Mobile, Unlimited N/W, Nights @ 7pm, Unlimited incoming calls, My Circle, etc... you have ...
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Your post on Cingular's 450 plan is incorrect. They do have free N&W with that plan. Also, Sprint's $7.00 p.m. N&W DON'T cost extra. Free incoming plans with Sprint start at $49.99 per month, much cheaper than what you'd expect to pay for the minutes you use on incoming calls on Verizon. Sprint's unlimited mobile to mobile Does not cost extra, either. That's only if you expand it to calling people for free on Nextel and vise versa. Verizon also has NO national $30.00 plans, while were talking affordable.
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if you can't afford verizon go elsewhere. This is not brain surgery. If you don't like their pricing go elsewhere. If allot of people feel the same way you do then they will adjust accordingly. But you are in the minority about your problem as of today! I can't believe this has gone as long as it has!!!
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wombough said:
if you can't afford verizon go elsewhere. This is not brain surgery. If you don't like their pricing go elsewhere. If allot of people feel the same way you do then they will adjust accordingly. But you are in the minority about your problem as of today! I can't believe this has gone as long as it has!!!
The reason it's gone on this long is everybody keeps responding to it. I did dump Verizon a long time ago. But what they charge affects everyone with a cell phone. That's why I care. Verizon folks read these posts and they need to see that there are people out there who think they're overpriced. If you don't like this post, don't keep responding to it. You're just as 'guilty' as I am if you th...
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Sprint could come out with a 1000 min a month for 10.00. Does that mean verizon will lower. NO. Not until they stop posting the numbers they are. Cingular could come out with 2000 for 10.00. Again they will not adjust until they have to. Can you get that. Can you hear me now!
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If either one of those companies actually did that, Verizon would be out of business. Listen, although I think cell phone ervices in general are not reliable, VZW does have the distinction of being else. But, Nextel once had the lowest turnover rate and charged the highest prices of anyone else, and look where they are now.
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Nextel catered to business people. They were there for one reason and thats PTT. They also have a PTT NO ONE can match. So yes were are they going to go. Sprint screwed that up. They underestimated the nextel name and when they phased it out people got mad! Lets talk apples to apples. Not apples to oranges!
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I agree, but my point: Nextel had the lowest churn rate, second best reliability in cellular (behind Verizon) and the HIGHEST prices. I never liked paying what I did for my Nextel service and I let them know about it. Their relibility and good customer service didn't make it any easier on my pocketbook. Demand more, I say. I'e also criticized them for their lack of analog backup on their phones, and still am.
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Hey, I have an idea! Let's talk about this subject of Verizon's offers not being equal to the competition 100 times a week.
Dude, learn to read. No one cares about your .02 cents just as much as they care about mine. Get over it.
You know why T-Mobile offers My 5 favs?
Because they have to in order to compete with Verizon Wireless. Their service lacks and they make up for it by offering unlimited calling to 5 phone numbers.
And the whole Cingular Rollover BS. Who gives a crap if you can't even hold a 2 minute phone call before it drops (based on my own leading independant survey of Grand Junction Colorado).
Every carrier has it's niche in this market. Quit F'N complaining and pick one that works best for you.
Dude, learn to read. No one cares about your .02 cents just as much as they care about mine. Get over it.
You know why T-Mobile offers My 5 favs?
Because they have to in order to compete with Verizon Wireless. Their service lacks and they make up for it by offering unlimited calling to 5 phone numbers.
And the whole Cingular Rollover BS. Who gives a crap if you can't even hold a 2 minute phone call before it drops (based on my own leading independant survey of Grand Junction Colorado).
Every carrier has it's niche in this market. Quit F'N complaining and pick one that works best for you.
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But, you posted it! Let me say yes, T-Mobile is offering my faves to compete, but the point is Verizon doesn't have this or anything else. T-Mobile has a very reliable network (as cell phones go) compared to Verizon. They recently passed Nextel (now part of Sprint) in the #2 spot against VZW in CR's reader poll on cell phone serice. Thei customer service is better than Verizon's, too. Cingular does drop a lot of calls, I agree with you on that, but rollover is not as you put it, BS. Rollover saves you a lot of daytime minutes. Most people I know on Cingular don't worry at all about their minutes now, can't say the same for Verizon folks. VZW could offer rollover, free incoming, etc. but tey don't. They aren't good enough to justify me paying...
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holy fu****** Shi**!! Verizon is not competeing with ANYONE! hence no roolover no free incoming no nothing. WHen they have to they will. If I wanted roolover I would go to cingular. If I wanted free incoming I would switch my damn plan. ANd if they can't justify to you to pay that much extra. That is what we call choice. Go to the one that you like. WHat is the damn problem with you and this! Get it thorugh your head companies compete with the top 1. They offer things that cost them money to get new people. Verizon is not going to loose money per subscriber with gimmicks (yes that is what they are) when they are number one and still posting more adds then any other1
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I bet they don't look at it that way. By the way, per their OWN websites: (www.verizonwireless.com) in the about us section, 56.7 million subscribers. (www.cingular.com) 58 million subscribers. This is in response to your other posting, in case you didn't read it. You need to check your facts before you post stuff.
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So I am sitting here waiting for customers to come see me today. We have a FREE RAZR V3M on Verizon Wireless. Kick A$$ I know! I help the country out so much because everyone and their dog just about has a RAZR anymore. Thank you Motorola for your great ads and a great phone that has put so much money in my bank account. Hell, I could retire off of RAZR sales alone. A phone style that is 2 years old and going strong. Haven't really seen a phone like this since the Nokia 5160, 5160i, 5165, or the 3360, 3361, and 3390.
My current phone is an LG VX9800, aka the V as you all may know. This has been the pimpest phone I have ever owned and in 6 years in the business I have owned a lot of them.
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My current phone is an LG VX9800, aka the V as you all may know. This has been the pimpest phone I have ever owned and in 6 years in the business I have owned a lot of them.
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Sprint's churn — the percentage of customers who drop off each month — also was eye-popping: 2.4%. That's double Verizon's 1.2% monthly churn. Cingular's rate was 1.8%. No. 1 Cingular, owned by AT&T and BellSouth, has 59 million customers; Verizon, in the No. 2 position, has 57 million. Sprint is No. 3 with 52 million.
I stand corrected. However verizon added 1.9 million last quarter to cingulars 1.4. That for you is 500,000 more. So just because cingular inherted half of their subscibers in a recent merger doesn't mean they are really number one. Their churn rate is close to sprints. Which means they might be losing alot of the old ATT Wireless customers.
I stand corrected. However verizon added 1.9 million last quarter to cingulars 1.4. That for you is 500,000 more. So just because cingular inherted half of their subscibers in a recent merger doesn't mean they are really number one. Their churn rate is close to sprints. Which means they might be losing alot of the old ATT Wireless customers.
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I don't dispute anything you've just said. However, my point is Verizon and their pricing. Can't you and others just simply admit it would be nice to have more minutes and pay less for them? If Verizon (and I don't know who your carrier is) offered you rollover minutes or free incoming for what you're paying now, wouldn't you take it? To ask this question is to answer it. Verizon ain't gonna keep up what they're doing if they don't change. Just ask Nextel.
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Who doesn't want more minutes for their money? There's no dispute in that, come on dude!
The point we are making is, that this isn't really hurting Verizon not offering my 5 fav or Rollover.
Don't you think that these top level presidents and executives of VZW are very smart people?
I assure you that their MAIL room folk are smarter than you or I.
When their numbers start dropping you might just see a change in their plans. But until then why beat a dead horse? It's just gonna lay there and eventually your foot will break the skin and be inserted into it's liver and next thing you know you got blood on your boot.
No one wants blood on their boots buddy.
The point we are making is, that this isn't really hurting Verizon not offering my 5 fav or Rollover.
Don't you think that these top level presidents and executives of VZW are very smart people?
I assure you that their MAIL room folk are smarter than you or I.
When their numbers start dropping you might just see a change in their plans. But until then why beat a dead horse? It's just gonna lay there and eventually your foot will break the skin and be inserted into it's liver and next thing you know you got blood on your boot.
No one wants blood on their boots buddy.
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I've learned working in the business world to question everyone's sensibility. What works today and makes money is gone tomorrow. In the company I work for, I've seen us go from the number one consumer product in sales and reliablity, way down to number four. Times change. And companies change. My ongoing point: what VZW offers won't keep working. Will they eventually change? Dunno. We'll see. If the other guys start having low priced unlimited plans, and VZW doesn't do something to counter, watch their sales plummet through the basement. Who cares if VZW drops 3 less calls per month than somebody else if all they give me is 450 crummy daytime minutes. I could replace my home phone with an unlimited plan and anywhere else it works would just...
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I've learned working in the business world to question everyone's sensibility. What works today and makes money is gone tomorrow. In the company I work for, I've seen us go from the number one consumer product in sales and reliablity, way down to number four. Times change. And companies change. My ongoing point: what VZW offers won't keep working. Will they eventually change? Dunno. We'll see. If the other guys start having low priced unlimited plans, and VZW doesn't do something to counter, watch their sales plummet through the basement. Who cares if VZW drops 3 less calls per month than somebody else if all they give me is 450 crummy daytime minutes. I could replace my home phone with an unlimited plan and
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Unlimited for 40 or 50 bucks per month. THAT IS coming. And for your information, most businesses (over 90%) use Sprint, not Verizon. They have lost a lot of business lately, due to merger concerns and Sprint announcing the demise of Nextel's IDEN network. The fact that you personally have dropped zero calls doesn't mean nobody else does. Verizon drops calls like everyone else, LOTS OF THEM. I personally have only dropped 2 calls in four years on Nextel, and I know people who have dropped that few or less on other networks, so what does that prove? Nothing. I also know people ho have dropped calls out the wazoo on Verizon, so personal experience doesn't equal overall reality. Verizon does have the fewest dropped calls, but not zero! A lot of...
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It would be nice if I got free service is that going to happen no. Allot of things would be nice. Peace on earth, goodwill toward men blah blah blah. When they start to slip they will adjust. Can you get that through your head. Mark my words when cingular post more adds then verizon or sprint (but I won't hold my breath not for at least another year) they will adjust. They don't have to yet. GOT IT????????
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jrfdsf said: Just ask Nextel.
Nextel isn't a good comparison. They had a good thing going but then they decided to not expand the network and pocket the money. Soon every carrier got a better network then the iden one nextel has. Verizon does not stop improving and expanding the network. Billions of dollars are invested each year in their network alone. The consumer has to pay a competitive price plan to help pay for this network. Verizon Wireless is not a publicly traded company so there is no shareholders to pay off or listen to for business direction and spending. The CEO can make all the decisions. If he wanted to offer you more for less, it would be a done deal, but then you would get a less reliable s...
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Nextel is a great comparison. A company on top of their game, great network, expanding all the time (still larger than Verizon's NATIVE network), making money, loyal customer base, and charging the highest prices for it. You said it yourself, look at them now! They priced themselves right into trouble. You don't think Verizon will do the same? Dream on.
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I think it will change, but not anytime soon. Your minute issue will take a generation to change. 90% of people my age(18-22) have t-mobile for unlimited text and higher minute packages. In 10 years, everyones networks are pretty much going to be the same so verizon won't have a real edge on their competition. The young people who can see the value in t-mobiles my faves and texting packages will start having kids and their children will get t-mobile and so on. Once everyones network's are similar in coverage they will only be able to lure customers with promotional packages. Personally I sell cingular and we lose a lot of families to t-mobiles unlimited text. That is one of the #1 questions we get asked during our sales presentation. Verizon...
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